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Reply #45 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 6:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 5:23pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 3:57pm:

This second amendment thing...https://imgur.com/ay4GYqv.gif Doesn't define what 'arms' are, therefore if I lived in the US and felt so inclined I could manufacture a bio-weapon or a thermonuclear device and keep it in my home - purely for self defence you understand.

It was ratified in 1791, so I'm guessing they were referring to single-shot muskets that could fire about 3 rounds per minute, had a muzzle velocity of 1,000 feet per second, and were accurate to a range of about 50 metres.

Panther, however, wants a rifle with a 30-round magazine that fires 45 rounds a minute, has a muzzle velocity of 3,260 feet per second, and is accurate for up to 550 metres.

Not sure that's what they were talking about in the 2nd amendment.

Thoughts, Panther? Undecided

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Reply #46 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:12pm

Panther wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

"Your first amendment says I can say your second amendment sucks dicks".

Say anything you wish....but be aware here Down Under....YOUR inferior Constitution says you can only say what your Parliament says you can say....What they say today can always be changed or retracted tomorrow......You have no Bill of Rights....So Says your Royal Rulers who made it so over 100 years ago. https://imgur.com/6tcmHQH.gif

As soon as a right is defined it is limited. Australians have more rights not less.

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Reply #47 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 8:19pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

"Your first amendment says I can say your second amendment sucks dicks".

Say anything you wish....but be aware here Down Under....YOUR inferior Constitution says you can only say what your Parliament says you can say....What they say today can always be changed or retracted tomorrow......You have no Bill of Rights....So Says your Royal Rulers who made it so over 100 years ago. https://imgur.com/6tcmHQH.gif

As soon as a right is defined it is limited. Australians have more rights not less.

I have tried to get this concept across to Americans, but like their second amendment, they think their bill of rights is the epitome of human political evolution. Roll Eyes

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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #48 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 8:32pm

Belgarion wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 8:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

"Your first amendment says I can say your second amendment sucks dicks".

Say anything you wish....but be aware here Down Under....YOUR inferior Constitution says you can only say what your Parliament says you can say....What they say today can always be changed or retracted tomorrow......You have no Bill of Rights....So Says your Royal Rulers who made it so over 100 years ago. https://imgur.com/6tcmHQH.gif

As soon as a right is defined it is limited. Australians have more rights not less.

I have tried to get this concept across to Americans, but like their second amendment, they think their bill of rights is the epitome of human political evolution. Roll Eyes

Yep.

You can't explain it to them - they just don't understand.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment Reply #50 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 10:29pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:12pm: Australians have more rights not less We don't have any rights at all .... even Bwian said we don't. It's the one thing I agree with him about We only have privileges given to us by Government
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Reply #51 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 11:14pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 10:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

Australians have more rights not less

We don't have any rights at all .... even Bwian said we don't. It's the one thing I agree with him about

We only have privileges given to us by Government

We don't have a freedom of speech clause yet we can say what we like with few exceptions.

We don't have a freedom of religion clause yet we can worship who or what we like.

We don't need amendments to try to fix the errors in the constitution that are then locked in and can become a second level of problems.

Rights which are not in the US constitution are not rights in the US. Anything they forgot or left out is not a right.

The second amendment an antiquated amendment about the Melita that has now been repurposed to a completely different usage. It now protects the right to shoot up schools. I am fairly sure this isn't what the forefathers meant.

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Reply #52 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 12:25am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 11:14pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 10:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

Australians have more rights not less

We don't have any rights at all .... even Bwian said we don't. It's the one thing I agree with him about

We only have privileges given to us by Government

We don't have a freedom of speech clause yet we can say what we like with few exceptions.

We don't have a freedom of religion clause yet we can worship who or what we like.

We don't need amendments to try to fix the errors in the constitution that are then locked in and can become a second level of problems.

Rights which are not in the US constitution are not rights in the US. Anything they forgot or left out is not a right.

The second amendment an antiquated amendment about the Melita that has now been repurposed to a completely different usage. It now protects the right to shoot up schools. I am fairly sure this isn't what the forefathers meant.

We still don't have any rights ... and all you just said is not going to give us any

We have privileges, and they can be cancelled or suspended by Government if we don't watch ourselves

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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14952 Colorado Gender:	Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment Reply #53 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:22am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 6:47pm: Thoughts, Panther? Wow. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/study-confirms-gun-owners-smaller-penises-cont...
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 153623 Gender:	Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment Reply #54 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 7:11am Marla wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 6:47pm: Thoughts, Panther? Wow. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/study-confirms-gun-owners-smaller-penises-cont... No surprises there. "Study Confirms Gun Owners Have Smaller Penises"
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36389 Gender:	Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment Reply #55 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 8:05am A question for all of the constitution botherers ... what did the founding fathers have in mind for treason and sedition?
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Reply #56 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:15am

mothra wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 8:05am:

A question for all of the constitution botherers ... what did the founding fathers have in mind for treason and sedition?

Treason in the US is a very strange item in the constitution.

It is defined in the constitution as someone who makes war against the USA or aides / abets someone who has. The law can only apply in a situation where war has been officially declared.

The British law and dictionary meaning of the term is much broader and very different.

An act that would make you a traitor to almost anywhere in the world is likely ok in the US.

An example would be that Donald Trumps actions almost anywhere else would be traitorous but not in the USA.

Sedition is conspiring to stage or incite rebellion, oppose gov authority by force, Hindering a law from being carried out, taking, seizing or possessing gov property by force.

(Bad Luck Donald in the category of all of the above).

Insurrection also relates to treason and sedition.

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Reply #57 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:20am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 7:11am:

Marla wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 6:47pm:

Thoughts, Panther? Undecided

Wow.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/study-confirms-gun-owners-smaller-penises-cont...

No surprises there.

"Study Confirms Gun Owners Have Smaller Penises"

Is there a relationship to the size of the gun (or amount) ?

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Reply #58 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:06pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:15am:

An example would be that Donald Trumps actions almost anywhere else would be traitorous but not in the USA.

Not if he was an Australian citizen and fighting for ISIS, he'd be looked upon favorably by the Left and allowed to come back home to Oz whether we liked it or not

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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #59 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:11pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:15am:

An example would be that Donald Trumps actions almost anywhere else would be traitorous but not in the USA.

Not if he was an Australian citizen and fighting for ISIS, he'd be looked upon favorably by the Left and allowed to come back home to Oz whether we liked it or not

You really like to paint with a broad brush, don't you, Bias? Not all members of the Left think alike, just as not all Muslims do. They are a broad church indeed. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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