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Reply #225 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:18pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 10:57am:
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After Supreme Court’s Gun Ruling, 2nd Amendment Groups Seek Gun Law ‘do-over’ in All Gun Law Cases



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Five months after the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in a New York gun case set a new standard for how judges should analyze firearm restrictions, a series of hearings are set to begin Monday in federal court in San Diego that could eventually reshape California’s strict gun laws.

The Supreme Court’s 6-3 decision struck down New York’s law requiring “good cause” to carry a concealed weapon, a ruling that has already had an immediate affect in San Diego County. The local Sheriff’s Department has rapidly accelerated its issuance of concealed-carry weapons permits since the June 23 opinion as a result, officials said.

But the much broader implications of the ruling — the establishment of a new legal framework for courts to rule on the constitutionality of gun restrictions — is just now beginning to unfold.

Judges must now apply a standard “rooted in the Second Amendment’s text, as informed by history,” and “must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with the nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.”

This new legal framework — what lawyers are calling the “text and history” or “text, history and tradition” standard — could bring sweeping changes to local and state gun laws, including those that outlaw homemade firearms, those that ban assault weapons and large-capacity magazines, and those that restrict gun purchases based on a buyer’s age or the frequency of the buyer’s purchases. A law banning the possession of batons and billy clubs could also be upended, with all of these challenges happening in U.S. district court in San Diego, a favorite venue for gun-rights groups.

Though some analysts are still waiting to see what legal impact the new standard will have, government lawyers have written that the framework for evaluating Second Amendment challenges has been “fundamentally altered,” while one attorney and gun-rights advocate said the new standard offers a “do-over” for Californians seeking to overturn the state’s gun restrictions.

“Everything was decided before on slightly different grounds,” Chuck Michel, an attorney and the president of the California Rifle and Pistol Association, said in reference to a two-step test that courts previously used to evaluate and rule on legal challenges to gun laws.

That test “was wiped out” by the Supreme Court’s ruling in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen, Michel said.

“Now it’s a new test. Everything has to be reevaluated under the new test,” Michel said. “This is a do-over.”


Nick Wilson, senior director for gun violence prevention at the Center for American Progress, said it remains unclear which gun laws will or will not stand up to the new framework.

“At this point, we don’t know just how big of a deal Bruen is,” Wilson said. “Is it an existential threat to all our laws? ... There are so many unanswered questions at this time.”

In San Diego, many of the cases that will be decided anew are pending — again — in front of U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez, a George W. Bush appointee known as “St. Benitez” among firearms enthusiasts for his gun-friendly rulings in previous cases...........continued



What a Great Time for the Second Amendment!

San Diego is but one locality that will be hearing hundreds of gun cases that need to be revisited because SCOTUS effectively changed all the rules the courts must follow when deciding Second Amendment Rights cases regarding restrictive firearm regulations.

It is estimated that well in excess of 10,000 gun regulations will need to be re-written all across America, & overly restrictive regulations will have to be stricken from the books because the SCOTUS Bruen Decision effectively rendered most older gun regulations unconstitutional.
 

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Not many would be so happy about such a corrupt supreme court.

This is all based on the 2008 corrupt re-definition of the second amendment. (District of Columbia v. Heller)

It is a disgrace for the supreme court and the American people. A clearly faulty decision that makes America less safe for all.
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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #226 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 11:04am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 3:17pm:
Panther...

Madison certainly did say this:

Quote:
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the
citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms".


But...  the point you're missing—by citing his words—are that he wrote
them 235 years ago.  And of course it's a pointless exercise in conflating
the US society's mores and morals from 1788 with those of 2023.

That you have to rely on such an outdated, obsolete opinion in order to
support your current lust for guns is telling.

In Madison's day—for example—a trained militia man would be lucky to
fire off two or three rounds from his long gun in the space of a minute.
Compare that with the firing rate of weapons used in the recent American
mass shootings.

I'd be interested to see you address this horrifying statistic:

41,000 Americans die from gun violence every year - an average of more than 110 per day.

Do you think this is acceptable to the wider US society?   Do you personally
have no problems with accepting this figure?  Do you think it's far too high,
or perfectly reasonable?  Are the US's slack gun laws responsible, and do
you think a rewording of the 2nd Amendment could vastly reduce these numbers?
And are you happy to know that more than 2,200 of those gun deaths were
of children under 18 years of age?

And finally, as a supporter of the 2nd Amendment (as it stands) how many adult
gun deaths a year would you think is acceptable?    100, 1,000 or more?   And
how many children's gun deaths a year?   10, 100 or less?




STILL, absolutely no reason, absolutely no reason whatsoever, for good law-abiding Americans.....the overwhelming majority of all the American People......to even consider relinquishing or forfeiting any of their Constitutional Rights to Keep & Bear Arms, arms specifically meant to be used for lawful purposes......especially for self-defense.....to defend & protect themselves, their loved ones, their friends, & their property....as well as any & all other lawful purposes.


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There are an estimated 2+ million defensive uses of firearms a year......over 5,000 times Nationwide each & every day to protect life, not to criminally take life.

If only 2% of those uses saved just one (1) life.......± 40,000 lives saved a year........the balance sheet for the year would be quite lopsided in favor of lives saved, as opposed to lives taken by violent criminals, the mentally deranged, mass murderers, gang on gang murderers, & all other firearm homicides/murders combined each year....± 10,000 to 14,000 a year.


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Reply #227 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 11:09am
 
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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #228 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 9:03pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 11:04am:
...There are an estimated 2+ million defensive uses of firearms a year......over 5,000 times Nationwide each & every day to protect life, not to criminally take life.

Yes;  I read the report confirming this claim, and it's true to a degree.

MYTH: 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year can't be accurate.

Only one problem with the data set:   It's THIRTY-ONE years out of date.
In 1992 in the US there were 27,000 gun deaths;  last year there were 40,620.

This site throws some more light on the Kleck Study (commentary linked
above) and suggests it may not be a wholly accurate representation:

The Contradictions of the Kleck Study.

The fact that so many deaths were allegedly prevented by the use of guns
doesn't begin to offset the 40+ thousand deaths that did occur.  It's a silly
rationale that ignores the millions of guns in private ownership that shouldn't
be there to start with.

—I also note that you were unwilling to address my
   specific questions directed at you.     Why is that?


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Reply #229 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 9:08pm
 
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Reply #230 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 9:59pm
 
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Reply #231 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:01pm
 
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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #232 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:01pm
 
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Looks like democrats are the number one cause of crime.
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Reply #234 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:16pm
 
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Reply #235 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:46pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:01pm:
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Looks like democrats are the number one cause of crime.


Fact check says pants on fire.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-thir...
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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #236 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:47pm
 
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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #237 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 11:20pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:46pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:01pm:
https://i.postimg.cc/kMx4NTpf/fact.png

Looks like democrats are the number one cause of crime.


Fact check says pants on fire.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-thir...


More fact checker bullshit

From your link does it describe democrat run shitholes?
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Specific reasons for the cities’ high murder rates largely remain a mystery for criminologists, but all are cities with "high poverty levels, inequality, significant segregation, and an entrenched drug trade," Corzine said.





FBI data shows over 52% of all homicides are done by blacks who make up around 13% of the population, an inconvenient truth.

If we break FBI data down it shows women and the young and older males aren't responsibile the main offenders are male aged between 15 and 40.

When we look closer at FBI data the 52% of all homicides are done by a demographic that makes up about 5-6% of the US population.

These threads are amusing dopey leftists from Australia think they can take away constitutional rights of Americans which shows how delusional they are.

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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #238 - Jan 4th, 2023 at 11:32pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 9:03pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 11:04am:
...There are an estimated 2+ million defensive uses of firearms a year......over 5,000 times Nationwide each & every day to protect life, not to criminally take life.

Yes;  I read the report confirming this claim, and it's true to a degree.

MYTH: 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year can't be accurate.


The fact that so many deaths were allegedly prevented by the use of guns
doesn't begin to offset the 40+ thousand deaths that did occur.  It's a silly
rationale that ignores the millions of guns in private ownership that shouldn't
be there to start with.



If you point a gun at someone and say hand over your money it's armed robbery even if you don't pull the trigger.

If you point a gun at someone in defence and say piss off it's defensive gun use even if you don't fire it.

Would you waste time reporting a DGU if someone pissed off when you told the to f off? Yes officer i pointed my gun at him told him to f off he ran away faster than Usain Bolt don't really know what he looks like don't know where he went.

With the 40K gun deaths most of them are suicides with older white males the largest demographic. Hanging has become the most common method of suicide in Australia since our 1996 gun laws the suicide rate hasn't gone down the method has changed.

Suicide is a separate issue of course the gun grabbers prefer people hang themselves instead of using a gun. To me it makes no difference what method people use for suicide to focus only on gun suicides shows you're a hoplophobic bedwetter who doesn't care if they don't use a gun.

More people die from prescription opioids pushed by big pharma than guns in the US. Big pharma profits from selling these opioids then also profits from selling the narcan when they overdose. As we see with lack of RCT with covid vaccines and EUA big pharma has as much influence as the gun lobby and they kill more people than guns.

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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #239 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 12:47am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:46pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:01pm:
https://i.postimg.cc/kMx4NTpf/fact.png

Looks like democrats are the number one cause of crime.


Fact check says pants on fire.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-thir...



Fact check is as fake as the Main Stream Media.
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