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Reply #150 - Dec 23rd, 2022 at 3:29pm
 
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Reply #151 - Dec 23rd, 2022 at 3:55pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 10:22am:
Panther wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 9:42am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 11:06am:
More guns, less Yanks....What is the problem....Americans need more guns to protect themselves from eachother....A case of ignorant stupidity if ever there was one???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Still, absolutely no reason whatsoever for good law-abiding American gun owners.....the American People......to even consider relinquishing or forfeiting any of their Constitutional Rights to Keep & Bear Arms, arms to be specifically used for lawful purposes......especially for self-defense.....to defend & protect themselves, their loved ones, their friends, & their property....


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Like I said mate....More guns less Yanks....I understand that everyone in the USA needs to own a gun to protect themselves from their neighbor, police, the Government, criminals, homeless, blacks, mexicans and anyone else who needs executing....More guns in schools, banks, public transport, Government buildings and places of work will make everyone safer!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley

the 2nd amendment pits some americans against others

it is advarserial and encourages internal wars
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Reply #152 - Dec 24th, 2022 at 12:30am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 3:29pm:


Age-restricted, old chap, I can't get in. I must be getting on, eh?

Let me guess. Effective gun control - does it have anything to do with killing blacks, by any chance?

Naughty naughty. One can't help notice you're posting Twitter a lot these days. Doesn't have anything to do with any new rules by any chance, does it?

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Reply #153 - Dec 24th, 2022 at 1:15am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 3:29pm:

LOL... one dickhead respondent to that Tweet says:

"An armed society is a peaceful society".

I dunno if he's taking the piss?   I truly can't believe any sane person would say that.

To date this year, these are the horrific US firearm deaths numbers:

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—Giffords Law Center, CDC WONDER.


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Reply #154 - Dec 24th, 2022 at 8:35am
 

Does American gun culture come from cowboy movies?


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Reply #155 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 9:35pm
 
5 Freedom-Based Solutions to Mass Shootings

By D. Parker

It's time to have a set of solutions to counter the emotional bullying of leftist gaslighting ghouls before a tragedy takes place.

Playing defense to every leftist emotional exploitation of tragedy has seen the pro-freedom right steadily lose ground in the defense of individual liberty, the time has come to change all that.  We need to advance solutions that work instead of just serving to deprive the people of their commonsense civil rights.

What if we tried something different?  What if we "had a conversation" about the issue outside the emotional hysteria of tragedy?

What if we put forward a series of measures designed to truly solve the problem instead of having one side use the issue as a cudgel against our commonsense civil rights?  We need solutions that would solve the problem, that couldn't be dismissed by the usual talking points.

Thus, we have five freedom-based solutions to the criminal violence problem that don't infringe on the people's individual liberty — solutions that work instead of acting as incremental moves to gun confiscation.

1. Get rid of gun-free zones.

Gun control and gun-free zones are based on the absurd idea from the left that if no one has a gun, no one needs a gun.  Except that when these inevitably fail because criminals don't obey the law, the excuse is offered that this happened because guns came in from the surrounding areas.

Innocent people are thus being deprived of their commonsense civil rights under a false pretense: that you will be safe and won't need a gun because no one else will have one. 

The problem is that the gun-grabbing ghouls contradict themselves with this "logic" because there will always be a surrounding area that can be a source for firearms.  (They can't seem to explain this with island nations like Australia, New Zealand, or the U.K. — are dolphins smuggling AR-15s?)  Thus, the only solution is to simply stop depriving people of their rights and let them deter crime themselves.

2. Make sure that some people are carrying and everyone knows it.

This goes along with the first point; however, it's vitally important on its own.  It's not enough that people can defend themselves, but that the potential perpetrators know this as well. 

The fact is that 94% of attacks since 1950 took place in gun-free zones.  That statistic is well beyond the realm of random chance, with several recent incidents confirming this finding.

There is an amusing old video entitled "Make your own Gun Free Zone" that strikingly makes the point.  People put up those signs, and a criminal stops his attack when they point to it.  Sadly, the real world doesn't work that way.

3. Do something about media contagion.


Studies have shown that this is a massive problem. But for some reason, no one in the nation's media wants to address it.  Whether this is out of ignorance or malfeasance is unknown.

However, there is a relatively easy fix for this and that's to simply stop making these mass murders into anti-heroes.  Make no mistake: this isn't about censorship.  The information can be available on a limited basis on a few news websites for transparency.  But there is no reason for the information to be blasted out on a 24/7 basis for days and even weeks at a time, knowing that it will just encourage the next attack. 

4. Single-access security.

You see this in many retail establishments, with only one access door to get in.  The exit can be one way, and there can be multiple emergency exits that are secured from the outside.

This is proven to work, yet many resist this basic security measure.  Why?

A murderer bent on mayhem is less likely to want to deal with the security features of one access point.  Granted there have been cases where these miscreants have made it past this layer of security, but that is why you have armed deterrence inside, and you don't have the media encourage these attacks beforehand. 

5. Treat the cause, not the tool.

Finally, we need to look at the underlying cause of all this mayhem.  Simply trying to exploit this issue to deprive the people of their constitutional rights won't solve anything since someone bent on mass murder will just find another way to kill. 

The fact is that repeating firearms have been around for 180 years, while semi-automatic firearms have been in existence for over a century.  These types of mass murder attacks have been a phenomenon for only the past 30–40 years.  Clearly, the cause is something other than the availability of guns.

We need to look at what society has been doing to our children for the past few decades, instead of what types of inanimate objects have been around for over 100 years.  That will be the true solution to the problem, not trying to deprive the people of their common-sense civil rights.

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Reply #156 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 10:14pm
 
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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #157 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 10:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 10:14pm:


If there is anyone who really needs mental health care it's you Brian.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #158 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 10:18pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 3:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 10:22am:
Panther wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 9:42am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 11:06am:
More guns, less Yanks....What is the problem....Americans need more guns to protect themselves from eachother....A case of ignorant stupidity if ever there was one???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Still, absolutely no reason whatsoever for good law-abiding American gun owners.....the American People......to even consider relinquishing or forfeiting any of their Constitutional Rights to Keep & Bear Arms, arms to be specifically used for lawful purposes......especially for self-defense.....to defend & protect themselves, their loved ones, their friends, & their property....


https://imgur.com/LfHC5l3.png


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Like I said mate....More guns less Yanks....I understand that everyone in the USA needs to own a gun to protect themselves from their neighbor, police, the Government, criminals, homeless, blacks, mexicans and anyone else who needs executing....More guns in schools, banks, public transport, Government buildings and places of work will make everyone safer!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley

the 2nd amendment pits some americans against others

it is advarserial and encourages internal wars


That is not true of the second amendment of 1791 but it is a good description of the politically motivated re definition of the 2nd amendment of 2008.
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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #159 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 10:22pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 24th, 2022 at 8:35am:
Does American gun culture come from cowboy movies?




Which culture is the problem Bobby, is it the cowboys or the gangsta rappers?

Is that a Kardashian?


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Reply #160 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 11:07pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 9:35pm:
5 Freedom-Based Solutions to Mass Shootings

By D. Parker

It's time to have a set of solutions to counter the emotional bullying of leftist gaslighting ghouls before a tragedy takes place.

Playing defense to every leftist emotional exploitation of tragedy has seen the pro-freedom right steadily lose ground in the defense of individual liberty, the time has come to change all that.  We need to advance solutions that work instead of just serving to deprive the people of their commonsense civil rights.

What if we tried something different?  What if we "had a conversation" about the issue outside the emotional hysteria of tragedy?

What if we put forward a series of measures designed to truly solve the problem instead of having one side use the issue as a cudgel against our commonsense civil rights?  We need solutions that would solve the problem, that couldn't be dismissed by the usual talking points.

Thus, we have five freedom-based solutions to the criminal violence problem that don't infringe on the people's individual liberty — solutions that work instead of acting as incremental moves to gun confiscation.

1. Get rid of gun-free zones.

Gun control and gun-free zones are based on the absurd idea from the left that if no one has a gun, no one needs a gun.  Except that when these inevitably fail because criminals don't obey the law, the excuse is offered that this happened because guns came in from the surrounding areas.

Innocent people are thus being deprived of their commonsense civil rights under a false pretense: that you will be safe and won't need a gun because no one else will have one. 

The problem is that the gun-grabbing ghouls contradict themselves with this "logic" because there will always be a surrounding area that can be a source for firearms.  (They can't seem to explain this with island nations like Australia, New Zealand, or the U.K. — are dolphins smuggling AR-15s?)  Thus, the only solution is to simply stop depriving people of their rights and let them deter crime themselves.

2. Make sure that some people are carrying and everyone knows it.

This goes along with the first point; however, it's vitally important on its own.  It's not enough that people can defend themselves, but that the potential perpetrators know this as well. 

The fact is that 94% of attacks since 1950 took place in gun-free zones.  That statistic is well beyond the realm of random chance, with several recent incidents confirming this finding.

There is an amusing old video entitled "Make your own Gun Free Zone" that strikingly makes the point.  People put up those signs, and a criminal stops his attack when they point to it.  Sadly, the real world doesn't work that way.

3. Do something about media contagion.


Studies have shown that this is a massive problem. But for some reason, no one in the nation's media wants to address it.  Whether this is out of ignorance or malfeasance is unknown.

However, there is a relatively easy fix for this and that's to simply stop making these mass murders into anti-heroes.  Make no mistake: this isn't about censorship.  The information can be available on a limited basis on a few news websites for transparency.  But there is no reason for the information to be blasted out on a 24/7 basis for days and even weeks at a time, knowing that it will just encourage the next attack. 

4. Single-access security.

You see this in many retail establishments, with only one access door to get in.  The exit can be one way, and there can be multiple emergency exits that are secured from the outside.

This is proven to work, yet many resist this basic security measure.  Why?

A murderer bent on mayhem is less likely to want to deal with the security features of one access point.  Granted there have been cases where these miscreants have made it past this layer of security, but that is why you have armed deterrence inside, and you don't have the media encourage these attacks beforehand. 

5. Treat the cause, not the tool.

Finally, we need to look at the underlying cause of all this mayhem.  Simply trying to exploit this issue to deprive the people of their constitutional rights won't solve anything since someone bent on mass murder will just find another way to kill. 

The fact is that repeating firearms have been around for 180 years, while semi-automatic firearms have been in existence for over a century.  These types of mass murder attacks have been a phenomenon for only the past 30–40 years.  Clearly, the cause is something other than the availability of guns.

We need to look at what society has been doing to our children for the past few decades, instead of what types of inanimate objects have been around for over 100 years.  That will be the true solution to the problem, not trying to deprive the people of their common-sense civil rights.



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Reply #161 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 4:15am
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 24th, 2022 at 8:35am:
Does American gun culture come from cowboy movies?




Cowboy movies, gangster movies, the us history and culture is soaked in violence, they revere wars and battles
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Americans Will Always Support the Second Amendment
Reply #162 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 9:05am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 3:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 10:22am:
Panther wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 9:42am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 11:06am:
More guns, less Yanks....What is the problem....Americans need more guns to protect themselves from eachother....A case of ignorant stupidity if ever there was one???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Still, absolutely no reason whatsoever for good law-abiding American gun owners.....the American People......to even consider relinquishing or forfeiting any of their Constitutional Rights to Keep & Bear Arms, arms to be specifically used for lawful purposes......especially for self-defense.....to defend & protect themselves, their loved ones, their friends, & their property....


https://imgur.com/LfHC5l3.png


..



Like I said mate....More guns less Yanks....I understand that everyone in the USA needs to own a gun to protect themselves from their neighbor, police, the Government, criminals, homeless, blacks, mexicans and anyone else who needs executing....More guns in schools, banks, public transport, Government buildings and places of work will make everyone safer!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley

the 2nd amendment pits some americans against others

it is advarserial and encourages internal wars


No one gives a
Bloody
Royal Rat's Ass.....The United States Second Amendment.....The American People's Right to Keep & Bear Arms......will always be far, far more important than minor squabbles & disagreements ,or a few unfortunate deaths here & there.....



...Spit out your dummys (Australian plastic tits), shout at the top of your lungs, stomp your feet until they bleed, ... cry to all the saints in heaven until your tears all dry up.......

Your words & pleas will always fall on deaf ears.

In the end
OUR
Second Amendment
still stands tall....& it still defends a Law-Abiding American's Right to Keep & Bear Arms irregardless, & despite, all your leftist Anti-Gun, Anti-Second Amendment whinging.....& will faithfully do so for the next 230+ years, just like it has for the previous 230+ years.... 

There is still absolutely no reason on God's Green Earth, absolutely no reason whatsoever, for good law-abiding Americans.....the overwhelming majority of the American People......to even consider relinquishing or forfeiting any of their Constitutional Rights to Keep & Bear Arms, arms specifically meant to be used for lawful purposes......especially for self-defense.....to defend & protect themselves, their loved ones, their friends, & their property....


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Re: Americans Will Always Support the Second Amendment
Reply #163 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 9:35am
 
Panther wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 9:05am:
No one gives a Royal, Rat's Ass.....The United States Second Amendment.....The People's Right to Keep & Bear Arms......will always be far, far more important than minor squabbles & disagreement, or a few unfortunate deaths here & there.....


I actually had to read this twice to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.

I don't think I've ever seen such an idiotic, reprehensible comment
on this forum in the past.      A "few unfortunate" deaths?

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You obviously have the brain capacity of a garden snail if you truly
believe the bullshit you post.   Types like you are one of the reasons
America has become the laughing stock of the rest of the free world.

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"There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know"  —Thomas Chalkley, 1713.

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Re: Americans Will Always Support the Second Amendment
Reply #164 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 9:49am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 9:35am:
Panther wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 9:05am:
No one gives a Royal, Rat's Ass.....The United States Second Amendment.....The People's Right to Keep & Bear Arms......will always be far, far more important than minor squabbles & disagreement, or a few unfortunate deaths here & there.....


I actually had to read this twice to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.

I don't think I've ever seen such an idiotic, reprehensible comment
on this forum in the past.      A "few unfortunate" deaths?

https://i.postimg.cc/3x5fKbbW/Screenshot-2022-12-28-at-10-16-44-Statistics.png

You obviously have the brain capacity of a garden snail if you truly
believe the bullshit you post.   Types like you are one of the reasons
America has become the laughing stock of the rest of the free world.

https://i.postimg.cc/Y0c4ZgbG/Screenshot-2022-12-28-at-10-25-00-Statistics.png

"There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know"  —Thomas Chalkley, 1713.

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100% correct.

110 people shot dead per day loses to political donations - it's all about the money.
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