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Reply #120 - Dec 13th, 2022 at 9:51pm
 
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Reply #121 - Dec 13th, 2022 at 10:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 9:51pm:

What ARE you proposing, spineless worm?

And why, considering you are neither an American nor are you in America. On what basis are you infesting the America boards (or any other) when,  according to your own stated principles as documented in the Spineless Apoligetics thread devoted to your moral shallowness,  you cannot possibly pass judgement.

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Reply #122 - Dec 13th, 2022 at 10:43pm
 
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Reply #123 - Dec 13th, 2022 at 11:31pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 9:16pm:
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 10:32pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 10:07pm:
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 9:52pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 9:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 9:42pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 9:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 9:30pm:
Quick, Mort! Check under your bed, there could be a Communist Democrat hiding there, reporting to the Police to tell them to come and take your guns!  Quick, before it's all too late.  March on the capital, march on Washington, storm the Capital! Oust those Communist Democrats! Hang them all!  They want your guns!   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


There you go just being silly. The government doesn't want to take my guns. Just last week they sold me one of their surplus 1911s from storage.


Thats not the message Panther tells us, Mort.  Be careful, you'll be branded a, "traitor" by the NRA, you'll never able to hold your head up high when you attend a meeting of the Klaven...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The NRA is out of the game until it at least gets new leadership. It never was about the gun industry or the NRA protecting profits. The rest of us are fighting back to protect our Rights and your strawman is no longer part of it! We don't need them to stand against this oppressive government!


The NRA wasn't started to protect rights, Mort. It used to be about promoting gun safety and responsible gun ownership.

If you wanted to protect human rights, I'm sure you would have shared that one with us before.



For decades that was all they did because there wasn't an open assault on our rights. They missed the opportunity to stand up for the American people in 1934 and stood by in 1968 until they decided to form ILA to fight for our rights. The Institute For Legislative Action branch of the NRA was formed to stand against the government.


Formed by the GOP to stand against the Clinton administration if I'm not mistaken.

The NRA is merely a branch. They don't have to declare donations either, which is how Putin got away with supporting Trump in 2016, laundering political donations through the NRA.

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Ex-Moscow banker Alexander Torshin, who was sanctioned last year, and his gun rights protege Maria Butina, who in late 2018 pleaded guilty to being a Russian influence agent and is now cooperating with US law enforcement, spent years cozying up to the NRA and some of its leaders. Their goal was to “establish unofficial lines of communication with Americans having power and influence over US politics”, according to Butina’s later plea agreement.

Questions about the NRA’s Moscow ties and the gun group’s role in the 2016 elections were also spurred when McClatchy reported last year that the FBI was looking into allegations that Torshin and other Russians may have improperly funneled Russian funds into NRA coffers as part of its record setting $30m in pro-Trump spending.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/01/nra-russia-investigations-gun-lo...

You're right, Mort. The NRA's sole purpose is not weapons sales.

It's about keeping the GOP in power at all costs.



You really live in some dark fantasy world. Until the Presidency of Bill Clinton many democrat members of congress were strong gun rights supporters. Democrat Senators and Representatives from conservative districts regularly voted pro second amendment! Many were life members of the NRA. There was a day when Clinton gathered democrat members of congress for a photo op where he instructed them to vote party line in the future and not for the best interests of the people who elected them. Ever since only a few rarely vote against the Party. It was possible to be a conservative democrat until that consolidation of power went into effect. People that didn't go along lost in their primaries or retired.

Clearly your point of view has nothing to do with public safety or you might care about fentanyl overdoses or medical mistakes each of which cause more then one hundred thousand deaths annually in the US.


Your own post expresses the motives of the NRA, dear: Clinton.

I'm not sure what the parents of kiddies killed by guns have to do with people who overdose on Fentanyl.

Would you care to inform us all?

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Reply #124 - Dec 14th, 2022 at 9:50pm
 
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I'm not sure what the parents of kiddies killed by guns have to do with people who overdose on Fentanyl.

Would you care to inform us all?


Clearly your concern isn't about saving lives, it is about your phobia. If it were you would concentrate on the possibility of the greatest number of lives saved. Illegal drugs are an epidemic because of lax drug laws and open borders. It is hypocritical to use suicides using a firearm anymore since assisted suicide is available on demand in many parts of the English speaking world. More Americans kill themselves with forks and spoons than guns. Obesity is a self inflicted injury and I know more people who have died because of complications from that condition than people murdered with guns. Now that I think about it I don't know anyone who was murdered with a gun. I know plenty who died from medical complications!
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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #125 - Dec 14th, 2022 at 10:09pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 9:50pm:
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I'm not sure what the parents of kiddies killed by guns have to do with people who overdose on Fentanyl.

Would you care to inform us all?


Clearly your concern isn't about saving lives, it is about your phobia. If it were you would concentrate on the possibility of the greatest number of lives saved. Illegal drugs are an epidemic because of lax drug laws and open borders. It is hypocritical to use suicides using a firearm anymore since assisted suicide is available on demand in many parts of the English speaking world. More Americans kill themselves with forks and spoons than guns. Obesity is a self inflicted injury and I know more people who have died because of complications from that condition than people murdered with guns. Now that I think about it I don't know anyone who was murdered with a gun. I know plenty who died from medical complications!


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Reply #126 - Dec 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 9:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 9:30pm:
Quick, Mort! Check under your bed, there could be a Communist Democrat hiding there, reporting to the Police to tell them to come and take your guns!  Quick, before it's all too late.  March on the capital, march on Washington, storm the Capital! Oust those Communist Democrats! Hang them all!  They want your guns!   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



There you go just being silly. The government doesn't want to take my guns. Just last week they sold me one of their surplus 1911s from storage.


Exactly so why are you and panther crying about it all day every day.
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Reply #127 - Dec 14th, 2022 at 10:29pm
 
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Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams


So a stronger Islamic presence would be a good thing?

Then there is the oxymoronic connection between the right and religion.

You have a religious right where at the same time there is nothing less religious than the actions of the right. It just doesn't work.
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Reply #128 - Dec 14th, 2022 at 10:42pm
 
The Right isn't the ones destroying the traditional family unit or killing the unborn.

We have thousands of gun control laws and they don't do anything to make our lives safer. I know it must surprise you but just between you and me, Criminals don't obey gun laws.
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Reply #129 - Dec 14th, 2022 at 11:50pm
 
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Reply #130 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 12:00am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 11:50pm:
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This is the 1809 Italian version of this quote. Jefferson owned the book that it was in. Jefferson didn't write it.

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Falsa idea di utilità è quella, che sacrifica mille vantaggi reali, per un inconveniente o immaginario, o di poca conseguenza, che toglierebbe agli uomini il fuoco perchè incendia, e l'acqua perchè annega; che non ripara ai mali, che col distruggere. Le leggi, che proibiscono di portar le armi, sono leggi di tal natura; esse non disarmano che i non inclinati, nè determinati ai delitti, mentre coloro che hanno il coraggio di poter violare le leggi più sacre della umanità è le più importanti del codice, come rispetteranno le minori, e le puramente arbitrarie? Queste peggiorano la condizione degli assaliti migliorando quella degli assalitori, non iscemano gli omicidi, ma gli accrescono, perchè è maggiore la confidenza nell'assalire i disarmati, che gli armati. Queste si chiaman leggi, non preventrici, ma paurose dei delitti, che nascono dalla tumultuosa impressione di alcuni fatti particolari, non dalla ragionata meditazione degl'inconvenienti, ed avvantaggi di un decreto universale.[2]



The English translation of this passage, which appeared in the 1809 edition that Jefferson later owned, is as follows:

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A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniencies, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, who dares say to reason, "Be thou a slave;" who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it.

The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons.


The version you attribute is a translation from 1963.
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Reply #131 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 12:01am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 10:29pm:
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Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams


So a stronger Islamic presence would be a good thing?



John Quincy Adams says no with this quote.

In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.


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Reply #132 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 3:43am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 9:50pm:
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I'm not sure what the parents of kiddies killed by guns have to do with people who overdose on Fentanyl.

Would you care to inform us all?


Clearly your concern isn't about saving lives, it is about your phobia. If it were you would concentrate on the possibility of the greatest number of lives saved. Illegal drugs are an epidemic because of lax drug laws and open borders. It is hypocritical to use suicides using a firearm anymore since assisted suicide is available on demand in many parts of the English speaking world. More Americans kill themselves with forks and spoons than guns. Obesity is a self inflicted injury and I know more people who have died because of complications from that condition than people murdered with guns. Now that I think about it I don't know anyone who was murdered with a gun. I know plenty who died from medical complications!


Overdose, suicide, obesity. Tick, tick, tick.

But you won't touch guns, which accidentally kill people.

Yes, fentanyl and knives and forks don't kill people. The only one to stop a bad guy with a knife and fork's a good guy with a gun, ja?

Ja!
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Reply #133 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 3:46am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 12:01am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 10:29pm:
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Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams


So a stronger Islamic presence would be a good thing?



John Quincy Adams says no with this quote.

In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.





Locker-room talk, innit.
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Reply #134 - Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:47pm
 
You can't make bad people harmless by making good people helpless.

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