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Reply #105 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 3:04pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

I wonder if the government has been paying the funeral costs for the more than 24,000 (and counting) people who have died from Covid in Australia so far? Including the 6,600 (and counting) aged care deaths?

No, I didn't think so.

you are off your rocker

they should, instead, bill their estate for the PPE and masks that were wasted on this "mild respiratory virus"

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Reply #106 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:41pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

I wonder if the government has been paying the funeral costs for the more than 24,000 (and counting) people who have died from Covid in Australia so far? Including the 6,600 (and counting) aged care deaths?

No, I didn't think so.

Are you trying to say that these people would not have died from the common cold? I worked with a girl who had a compromised immune system. When she got covid, she was out of work for at least 2 weeks.

What I am trying to say is these people died from SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) which is still classed as a Level 3 Biohazard - one level above influenza - and is NOT a "common cold".

aquascoot wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

you are off your rocker

they should, instead, bill their estate for the PPE and masks that were wasted on this "mild respiratory virus"

You're still an idiot.

But, once again, I must give you points for persistence.

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11422 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative Reply #107 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:50pm And... I'm STILL waiting for proof (real proof) that SARS-CoV-2 is now just a "common cold" or a "mild respiratory virus". This will be me by the time I get to see it:
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 26437 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative Reply #108 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:29pm If you can die from the common cold, you would definitely die from covid. Mum and Dad caught covid. They said it was like a strong cold. 900 people died from the influenza virus in 2017.
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Reply #109 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:31pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

And... I'm STILL waiting for proof (real proof) that SARS-CoV-2 is now just a "common cold" or a "mild respiratory virus".

This will be me by the time I get to see it:

You should be satisfied by people's own experience of covid. A type 1 diabetic said that her insulin was practically useless when she caught covid. I would wonder how I would fare if I caught covid. Not sure if I have ever had it, yet.

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Reply #110 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 9:20pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

And... I'm STILL waiting for proof (real proof) that SARS-CoV-2 is now just a "common cold" or a "mild respiratory virus".

This will be me by the time I get to see it:

Exactly what would you call ANY illness that

99.9% of its victims recover(vaccinated or not)?
60% of its victims are asymptomatic?
80% of its victims have zero to mild symptoms?
90% of all victims had other pre-existing chronic conditions(comorbiditie) on their death certificate?
just over 90% of all covid-19 deaths(2023), were Australians over 70yo?

would you call it a deadly plague? Pestilence?

Somehow I don't think you're interested in the truth. And, providing evidence to closed-minded people is just an excercise in futility. The facts that I deposit(that you dismiss/ignore) are very important.

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Reply #111 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:53pm

What I'm especially interested in is why is it that after centuries of mankind going to great lengths to eradicate or reduce many diseases and illnesses it has now become 'normal' for people to become infected with a dangerous virus like SARS-CoV-2. Repeatedly in many, many cases.

And no effort whatsover is being made to do anything about it.

Same with the flu and other respiratory illnesses. Vaccines help of course but common sense would suggest that you really shouldn't be getting infected anyway if you can avoid it.

Vaccines should be the "last line of defence", not the first.

And our governments, businesses and the media are now perfectly OK with this happening.

It really is quite bizarre. In fact, it reminds me of something:

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Reply #112 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:40am

Interesting thread at the Whirlpool Forums about peoples' Covid 'experiences'.

Quite a long thread so I'll just post links to the last 3 pages:

Page 97

Page 98

Page 99

Doesn't seem like "just a cold" or a "mild respiratory illness" to me after reading a lot of those posts.

And yet, no one there seems to think what's happened (and is still happening) to them is unusual in any way.

As I said - quite bizarre.

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Reply #113 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 1:16am

Carl D wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:53pm:

What I'm especially interested in is why is it that after centuries of mankind going to great lengths to eradicate or reduce many diseases and illnesses it has now become 'normal' for people to become infected with a dangerous virus like SARS-CoV-2. Repeatedly in many, many cases.

And no effort whatsover is being made to do anything about it.

Same with the flu and other respiratory illnesses. Vaccines help of course but common sense would suggest that you really shouldn't be getting infected anyway if you can avoid it.

Vaccines should be the "last line of defence", not the first.

And our governments, businesses and the media are now perfectly OK with this happening.

It really is quite bizarre. In fact, it reminds me of something:

I think what is bazarre is the knee-jerk government response to this virus. Masks, distancing, isolation, business closures, med. ID cards, isolation camps, jab or job, etc., were not well thought out. And, were impossible to inforce. If you're going to take choice away from people, you'd better be sure that you're 100% right. The key question here(I've asked before), just how far are you willing to go for the greater good?

But the idea that we can somehow prevent anyone from being infected by any pathogen is insane at worst, and ludicrous at best. We can only help the body fight the pathogen. If you can find a way to prevent anyone from catching a cold, you could win the Nobel Prize in Medicine.

Viruses have been on this planet billions of years before man. They're like rocks until they can find a host. Our immune system has had millions of years of experience in protecting itself from pathogens. It has evolved three lines of defense against them. Vaccines were never a part of the system's defense. In fact, vaccines can do unnecessary harm in themselves. ALL vaccines are pathogens!

Since the global population has continued to grow, overpopulation is a greater threat to mankind than any virus.

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Reply #114 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:19am

Carl D wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:53pm:

What I'm especially interested in is why is it that after centuries of mankind going to great lengths to eradicate or reduce many diseases and illnesses it has now become 'normal' for people to become infected with a dangerous virus like SARS-CoV-2. Repeatedly in many, many cases.

And no effort whatsover is being made to do anything about it.

Same with the flu and other respiratory illnesses. Vaccines help of course but common sense would suggest that you really shouldn't be getting infected anyway if you can avoid it.

Vaccines should be the "last line of defence", not the first.

And our governments, businesses and the media are now perfectly OK with this happening.

It really is quite bizarre. In fact, it reminds me of something:

you're quite bizarre carl.

most people see covid as a gift from nature

it helps to ease the suffering unwell elderly into the afterlife with minimal pain and it has little effect on the young.

most people are glad covid arrived and could not give a toss about it.

they see people like you and dr berger as narrcisistic sociopaths with extreme attachment to their own egos and no interest in letting others live their lives with joy

they would consider you both sick and the fact berger has been sanctioned and you continue to obsess on this non issue says more about you then about most sane rational people Roll Eyes

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Reply #115 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 7:20am

*sigh*

All I can say is - enjoy your constant (re)infections.

Especially aquascoot who is obviously deranged or (more likely) just a common or garden troll.

Let's see how we go when "bird flu" goes on the rampage with it's 50% + fatality rate after it mutates into a human to human transmission variant (if it hasn't already).

And it doesn't look like any efforts are being made to prevent that happening because all the same mistakes that were made with SARS-CoV-2 four and a half years ago are now being made with "bird flu".

"Low risk to humans at this stage".
"No evidence of direct human to human transmission".
"No need for lockdowns".
"No need for mask mandates".
"No need to restrict travel", etc., etc.

And when the bird poop hits the whirly thing I'm sure we'll be hearing things like "No one could have foreseen this" and "Just wash your hands and you'll be fine".

We really are the most stupid species on the planet.

I've always held the opinion that if a large asteroid was on a collision course with Earth and it was going to wipe out all life there would still be many stupid, greedy people trying to make as much money as they could right up until the end. Same goes for a civilization ending pandemic.

Ciao, boys. Have fun.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 38091 Gender:	Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative Reply #116 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:00pm Same goes for a civilization ending pandemic. you ARE kidding surely ? i assure you civilisation has not ended due to a mild respiratory virus.
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Reply #117 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:01pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 7:20am:

*sigh*

All I can say is - enjoy your constant (re)infections.

Especially aquascoot who is obviously deranged or (more likely) just a common or garden troll.

Let's see how we go when "bird flu" goes on the rampage with it's 50% + fatality rate after it mutates into a human to human transmission variant (if it hasn't already).

And it doesn't look like any efforts are being made to prevent that happening because all the same mistakes that were made with SARS-CoV-2 four and a half years ago are now being made with "bird flu".

"Low risk to humans at this stage".
"No evidence of direct human to human transmission".
"No need for lockdowns".
"No need for mask mandates".
"No need to restrict travel", etc., etc.

And when the bird poop hits the whirly thing I'm sure we'll be hearing things like "No one could have foreseen this" and "Just wash your hands and you'll be fine".

We really are the most stupid species on the planet.

I've always held the opinion that if a large asteroid was on a collision course with Earth and it was going to wipe out all life there would still be many stupid, greedy people trying to make as much money as they could right up until the end. Same goes for a civilization ending pandemic.

Ciao, boys. Have fun.

Same goes for a civilization ending pandemic.

you ARE kidding surely ?

i assure you civilisation has not ended due to a mild respiratory virus. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11422 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative Reply #118 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 1:16pm You must have gotten so 'excited' there you ended up posting it twice. Anyway, go back and read my last post again. Did I say that... (a) SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) or (b) "Bird Flu" (H5N1, H5N2 and several more) ... would or could be civilization ending pandemics? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Reply #119 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 3:27pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 1:16pm:

You must have gotten so 'excited' there you ended up posting it twice. Roll Eyes

Anyway, go back and read my last post again.

Did I say that...

(a) SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19)

or

(b) "Bird Flu" (H5N1, H5N2 and several more)

... would or could be civilization ending pandemics?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

A civilization-ending flu pandemic? Well, considering that avian influenza(including its variants) have killed 463 people since 2003, it will take another 1.18M years to kill everyone in Australia alone. Provided that every variant stays the same. So, it's really not a rational worry.

Unless you are God, you couldn't answer yes or no, if any virus could/would be civilization ending. And based on the last 7 million years of hominins on this planet, and the fact that you are able to ask the question, I'd say absolutely NOT GONNA HAPPEN!! No matter how much you seem to want it to.

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