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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20505 Gender:	Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases Reply #60 - Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:29am AusGeoff wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 8:51pm: Back to mandatory masking and separation in public places? This is NSW it isn't Danistan so unlikely to have mandatory requirements that don't work so politicians can appear to be doing something
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Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases
Reply #61 - Nov 14^th, 2022 at 10:13am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:29am:

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 8:51pm:

Back to mandatory masking and separation in public places?

This is NSW it isn't Danistan so unlikely to have mandatory requirements that don't work so politicians can appear to be doing something

I would happily swap Dan for the clown that we have in NSW.

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Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases
Reply #62 - Nov 14^th, 2022 at 5:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 10:13am:

I would happily swap Dan for the clown that we have in NSW.

From what the latest polls are suggesting it looks like that NSW clown (and the Liberals) will be gone after the State election next March.

And about time.

Hopefully, they won't just be replaced with the Labor clowns and we see a big swing towards the Independents and Greens (mainly Independents) like we saw the start of in the Federal election last May.

The Victorian election coming up on November 26th will be interesting to say the least.

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Re: 800 vaccinated passengers-->800 Covid19 cases
Reply #63 - Nov 15^th, 2022 at 1:17am

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

I got the COVID according to the RAT test and got over it in 3 days without being vaccinated.

Which means that your immune system coped adequately with the infection.
BUT, you should then have attended a clinic for polymerase chain reaction
(PCR) testing to confirm the RAT result. RATs only have a a clinical sensitivity
of around 80%, so you may well have not been infected.

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

I did not end up in ICU like they said I would...

LOL, nobody said you'd end up in ICU as a matter of course. Very few people
end up in intensive care—a minuscule number of those infected in fact.

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

...and all of the symptoms such as loss of taste completely disappeared after 3 weeks and now I have natural immunity and have not got it again unlike others that are fully vaxxed and have COVID many times as it keeps coming back.

Nope. You do not have "natural immunity" to the COVID virus. Our immune
systems can be compromised, and respond differently or not at all to a fresh
assault by a viral loading. The fact that you've (allegedly) contracted COVID
gives you no more immunity than anybody else.

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A recently published study out of the Yale School of Public Health and
University of North Carolina has found strong protection following natural
infection is short-lived. According to the research, reinfection by COVID
under endemic conditions would likely occur between three months and
5.1 years after the "peak antibody response", with a median of 16 months.
And in some cases, that time could be even further reduced, the paper’s
lead author Professor Jeffrey Townsend said. "Reinfection can reasonably
happen in three months or less", he said.

At any rate, Sir Lastnail has failed to see the logic in vaccination. I've had all
my four doses, and have not contracted COVID in a nearly three-year period,
whereas Sir Lastnail—who hasn't been vaccinated—did (allegedly) contract
the virus. And suffered symptoms for three weeks. And put himself at risk
of ending up in hospital on oxygen.

His health symptoms may well have only been influenza, as both viruses can
produce identical symptoms.

Common symptoms that COVID and flu share include:

Fever or feeling feverish/having chills.
Cough.

Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing.
Fatigue (tiredness)

Sore throat.
Runny or stuffy nose.

Muscle pain or body aches.
Headache.

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Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases
Reply #64 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 1:25pm

Better late than never, I guess?

P&O Cruises Australia, Princess Cruises, Carnival Cruise Line reintroduce masks for passengers onboard

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Every cruise ship operating in Australia owned by Carnival Corporation will now require passengers to wear masks indoors amid concerns over the nation's fourth COVID-19 wave.
Earlier 9news.com.au reported that Carnival Cruises had reintroduced mandatory mask wearing. It can now be confirmed that entire fleet owned by the company will implement the measures.
Months after the mandate was scrapped for guests, cruise management said that "out of an abundance of caution" the health measure would return to "adapt to the evolving public health situation".
Carnival Corporation brands include: P&O Cruises Australia, Princess Cruises, Carnival Cruise Line, Cunard, Holland America Line, Seabourn and P&O Cruises World Cruising.

Good to see but I wonder how long this "abundance of caution" will last? A month? 6 months?

The next thing we need is for mandatory masks to return on planes (international and domestic flights), airports and public transport. Won't be holding my breath waiting for that, of course.

(Maybe Alan Joyce could use some of his 4 million dollar bonus to buy some high quality masks for his employees and passengers?)

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Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases
Reply #65 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 3:24pm

And no wonder the cruise ship industry is now panicking and bringing back masks.

Two Hundred Passengers Infected With COVID-19 Disembark in Melbourne, Australia

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7NEWS Australia reports today that 200 passengers infected with COVID-19 disembarked from the Grand Princess in Melbourne, Australia after the Princess cruise ship completed a thirteen-day around-trip to New Zealand. There are no public accounts of the number of infected crew members.

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7News Australia reports on its Facebook page that “200 COVID positive patients have been allowed to come ashore in Melbourne after they were caught up in a cruise ship nightmare. Some had been stuck in tiny cabins with limited supplies for up to eight days before they were allowed to disembark.”

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With Australia recently opening up for cruises, there has been a spate of COVID19 outbreaks on cruises calling on Australian ports:

Majestic Princess – 800 infected guests (Sydney);

Quantum of the Seas – 400 infected guests (heading toward Queensland)

Coral Princess – 290 infected guests and crew (Fremantle);

Ovation of the Seas – 129 infected guests and 2 crew member (New Zealand)

Majestic Princess – 116 infected guests (Tahiti).

On just three Princess cruise ships (Grand Princess, Majestic Princess and Coral Princess), there have been a total of over 1,400 passengers infected with COVID-19. Although a Princess Cruise spokesperson said that the COVID-positive cases onboard are either “asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic,” the truth of the matter is that “in a well-rehearsed routine, ambulances ferried the sickest to hospitals and the others were told to go home and isolate.”

I have to scratch my head and wonder what exactly were they expecting to happen after the removal of mandatory masks on cruise ships just a few months ago and the pandemic still in 'full swing'?

And, the more cynical amongst us (myself included) are probably thinking the return of mandatory masks on cruise ships has more to do with the companies being more concerned about losing money due to cancellations than they are about peoples' health.

But, regardless of the reason at least the outcome (the return of mandatory masks) is a step back in the right direction for now.

*** And, as well as mandatory masks, mandatory vaccination has also been reintroduced for cruise ship passengers ***

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Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases
Reply #66 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 5:40pm

Carl D wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 3:24pm:

And no wonder the cruise ship industry is now panicking and bringing back masks.

Two Hundred Passengers Infected With COVID-19 Disembark in Melbourne, Australia

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7NEWS Australia reports today that 200 passengers infected with COVID-19 disembarked from the Grand Princess in Melbourne, Australia after the Princess cruise ship completed a thirteen-day around-trip to New Zealand. There are no public accounts of the number of infected crew members.

Quote:

7News Australia reports on its Facebook page that “200 COVID positive patients have been allowed to come ashore in Melbourne after they were caught up in a cruise ship nightmare. Some had been stuck in tiny cabins with limited supplies for up to eight days before they were allowed to disembark.”

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With Australia recently opening up for cruises, there has been a spate of COVID19 outbreaks on cruises calling on Australian ports:

Majestic Princess – 800 infected guests (Sydney);

Quantum of the Seas – 400 infected guests (heading toward Queensland)

Coral Princess – 290 infected guests and crew (Fremantle);

Ovation of the Seas – 129 infected guests and 2 crew member (New Zealand)

Majestic Princess – 116 infected guests (Tahiti).

On just three Princess cruise ships (Grand Princess, Majestic Princess and Coral Princess), there have been a total of over 1,400 passengers infected with COVID-19. Although a Princess Cruise spokesperson said that the COVID-positive cases onboard are either “asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic,” the truth of the matter is that “in a well-rehearsed routine, ambulances ferried the sickest to hospitals and the others were told to go home and isolate.”

I have to scratch my head and wonder what exactly were they expecting to happen after the removal of mandatory masks on cruise ships just a few months ago and the pandemic still in 'full swing'?

And, the more cynical amongst us (myself included) are probably thinking the return of mandatory masks on cruise ships has more to do with the companies being more concerned about losing money due to cancellations than they are about peoples' health.

But, regardless of the reason at least the outcome (the return of mandatory masks) is a step back in the right direction for now.

I am quite with you.
We avoid crowds, we wear masks where we see fit.

There is NO WAY I'ld go on a cruise.
Even if I won it and was paid to go there.

masks might or might not 'stop' covid.
It'ld be stupid to not wear one when appropriate though

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Re: 800 vaccinated passengers-->800 Covid19 cases
Reply #67 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 5:44pm

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 1:17am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

I got the COVID according to the RAT test and got over it in 3 days without being vaccinated.

Which means that your immune system coped adequately with the infection.
BUT, you should then have attended a clinic for polymerase chain reaction
(PCR) testing to confirm the RAT result. RATs only have a a clinical sensitivity
of around 80%, so you may well have not been infected.

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

I did not end up in ICU like they said I would...

LOL, nobody said you'd end up in ICU as a matter of course. Very few people
end up in intensive care—a minuscule number of those infected in fact.

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

...and all of the symptoms such as loss of taste completely disappeared after 3 weeks and now I have natural immunity and have not got it again unlike others that are fully vaxxed and have COVID many times as it keeps coming back.

Nope. You do not have "natural immunity" to the COVID virus. Our immune
systems can be compromised, and respond differently or not at all to a fresh
assault by a viral loading. The fact that you've (allegedly) contracted COVID
gives you no more immunity than anybody else.

Quote:

A recently published study out of the Yale School of Public Health and
University of North Carolina has found strong protection following natural
infection is short-lived. According to the research, reinfection by COVID
under endemic conditions would likely occur between three months and
5.1 years after the "peak antibody response", with a median of 16 months.
And in some cases, that time could be even further reduced, the paper’s
lead author Professor Jeffrey Townsend said. "Reinfection can reasonably
happen in three months or less", he said.

At any rate, Sir Lastnail has failed to see the logic in vaccination. I've had all
my four doses, and have not contracted COVID in a nearly three-year period,
whereas Sir Lastnail—who hasn't been vaccinated—did (allegedly) contract
the virus. And suffered symptoms for three weeks. And put himself at risk
of ending up in hospital on oxygen.

His health symptoms may well have only been influenza, as both viruses can
produce identical symptoms.

Common symptoms that COVID and flu share include:

Fever or feeling feverish/having chills.
Cough.

Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing.
Fatigue (tiredness)

Sore throat.
Runny or stuffy nose.

Muscle pain or body aches.
Headache.

Interesting, I also have had all 4 vaccinations, was sick after every single one. I did not want my 3rd vaccination and was resigned to being ill for my 4th.
I wear a mask and wash my hands.
Use public transport for over 2 hours every day.

Have not had covid.

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Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases
Reply #68 - Nov 26^th, 2022 at 11:29pm

Let me guess - "no one could have foreseen this" (even after mandatory masks and vaccination was reinstated for cruises).

Cruise turns back to Australia, abandons Bali leg after COVID outbreak

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Indonesian authorities have requested that an Australian cruise ship carrying about 2100 passengers and crew abandon the Balinese leg of its 17-day tour, following a COVID-19 outbreak on board.

The Queen Elizabeth left Sydney on November 15, stopping at Airlie Beach, Cairns, Port Douglas and Darwin, but will cut short the final week of its tour and head straight to Fremantle.

So, what happens when it arrives in Fremantle? Will almost everyone be allowed to get off the ship provided they test negative with almost useless RAT's?

Send it straight back to Sydney and let Dom deal with it is my suggestion.

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A spokeswoman for Cunard, owner of the ship, confirmed there was “an elevated level of transmission” on board, but declined to provide case numbers.

Of course. Because I'm sure it's LOTS OF CASES.

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The WA Department of Health was contacted for comment.

Don't hold your breath but If they do bother to reply they will probably say something like "we are following the health advice". Oh, wait - they're the ones who are supposed to be providing the health advice.

Never mind, perhaps we should ask a few coffee shop owners to comment instead? Roll Eyes

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Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases
Reply #69 - Nov 27^th, 2022 at 12:02am

Carl D wrote on Nov 26^th, 2022 at 11:29pm:

Let me guess - "no one could have foreseen this" (even after mandatory masks and vaccination was reinstated for cruises).

Cruise turns back to Australia, abandons Bali leg after COVID outbreak

Quote:

Indonesian authorities have requested that an Australian cruise ship carrying about 2100 passengers and crew abandon the Balinese leg of its 17-day tour, following a COVID-19 outbreak on board.

The Queen Elizabeth left Sydney on November 15, stopping at Airlie Beach, Cairns, Port Douglas and Darwin, but will cut short the final week of its tour and head straight to Fremantle.

So, what happens when it arrives in Fremantle? Will almost everyone be allowed to get off the ship provided they test negative with almost useless RAT's?

Send it straight back to Sydney and let Dom deal with it is my suggestion.

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A spokeswoman for Cunard, owner of the ship, confirmed there was “an elevated level of transmission” on board, but declined to provide case numbers.

Of course. Because I'm sure it's LOTS OF CASES.

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The WA Department of Health was contacted for comment.

Don't hold your breath but If they do bother to reply they will probably say something like "we are following the health advice". Oh, wait - they're the ones who are supposed to be providing the health advice.

Never mind, perhaps we should ask a few coffee shop owners to comment instead? Roll Eyes

It is a bad scenario.

Most people I know would not go on a cruise prior to this anyway.
Then, there is the ........ reasonable side that says, we have to start living at some stage. I agree to this.

With the previous regulations, we have held it at bay.
Our vaccinations have helped us a great deal.
The bivalent vaccination is recommended only for high at risk people.

Usual recommendations are valid.
Avoid high risk areas, wear a mask, wash hands.

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Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases
Reply #70 - Nov 27^th, 2022 at 1:00am

I've been in the Lab of late mixing Flying Fox faeces with Perenti saliva, with Bondi sewage, with bacteria from the Yarra River and a whole cocktail of other secret ingredients to create an Australian Made Virus so we can get revenge on China with a far superior Bio-engineered Pandemic response.

Tests so far shows a far more effective killing rate than Covid and highly contagious. This Virus will put Australia on the map for sure.

Not sure what to call the Virus yet?
Maybe call it the Uluru Flu? Cheesy

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Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases
Reply #71 - Dec 9^th, 2022 at 9:59am

And the "hits" just keep on cruisin' along...

Cruise ship with numerous COVID-19 positive passengers docks in Sydney

"numerous COVID-19 positive passengers"

"potentially hundreds of COVID-19 positive passengers"

"carrying about 3000 people. About half are suspected of carrying the virus". (they're probably hoping no one will do the math there).

"there are between 30 and 99 infections per 1000 passengers". (ditto - although I suspect a large percentage of our population wouldn't be able to work that one out anyway).

What they're trying really hard NOT to say is that another cruise ship with at least 1500 COVID-19 positive passengers has docked in Sydney this morning.

See, 9 "News"... that wasn't too hard, was it? Roll Eyes

Edit - they've "rewritten" the article while I was typing my post.

Now it's "less than 5 per cent of passengers deemed to have the virus"

Yeah, right.

Fortunately, I still had the original open in another Firefox tab.

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Re: Cruise Ship Docks With 800 Positive Covid-19 Cases
Reply #72 - Dec 9^th, 2022 at 10:38am

Carl D wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 9:59am:

And the "hits" just keep on cruisin' along...

Cruise ship with numerous COVID-19 positive passengers docks in Sydney

"numerous COVID-19 positive passengers"

"potentially hundreds of COVID-19 positive passengers"

"carrying about 3000 people. About half are suspected of carrying the virus". (they're probably hoping no one will do the math there).

"there are between 30 and 99 infections per 1000 passengers". (ditto - although I suspect a large percentage of our population wouldn't be able to work that one out anyway).

What they're trying really hard NOT to say is that another cruise ship with at least 1500 COVID-19 positive passengers has docked in Sydney this morning.

See, 9 "News"... that wasn't too hard, was it? Roll Eyes

Edit - they've "rewritten" the article while I was typing my post.

Now it's "less than 5 per cent of passengers deemed to have the virus"

Yeah, right.

Fortunately, I still had the original open in another Firefox tab.

Herd immunity - haven't heard that expression for a long time. Unheard immunity....

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