lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2022 at 2:22pm:


That's what I said;   "renewables" includes the required necessary pumped-hydro strorage.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 1^st, 2022 at 5:23pm:



Pumped hydro. How much energy does it take to pump water UP a hill in order to generate energy by the same water falling DOWN the hill?

This must be the stupidest, most hare-brained idea in a long time. No wonder Turnbull thought of it, promoted it and the CCP parrot stooge here claps to it.
While China builds 100+ coal fire power stations.

Two words for you, stooge - fuqqer the hell orff.i

Frank wrote on Nov 1^st, 2022 at 8:43pm:


The point is, there are times when renewables are generated excess to requirements, this free energy is stored by pumping water uphill. 

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The elegant simplicity of pumped hydro storage is addressed above; as for China: unlike mature economies like the US and Oz, China needs to DOUBLE it power output in the next decade, to achieve middle income (first world) per capita prosperity by 2035.

So yes, China needs to open more coal mines as well as rolling out renewables plus nuclear at the fastest rate of any nation on the planet - as it is now doing.

Rolling out coal is faster and cheaper than building pumped hydro and renewables plus smart grid  infrastructure; so if you are faced with needing to triple per capita income ASAP, coal needs to be part of the mix. Unlike in mature economies which can indeed begin exiting coal now, since these nations aren't faced with needing to lift per capita GDP. 

In any case, China plans to reach peak CO2 emissions by 2030, after that.....no new coal mines, as China will be in the same position in 2030 as OZ is now, and will also be able to begin reducing coal and gas.   

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I'm here to educate the likes of you...so obviously I need to be here for some time yet....i

lee wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2022 at 4:46pm:


True...because governments are beholden to obsolete neoliberal market orthodoxy.

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2022 at 6:15pm:


You blind neoliberal market ideologue.....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/other/world-plunging-towards-societal-collapse-a...

"World plunging towards societal collapse as era of cheap money ends"

....regardless of whether "renewables work".

...and certainly, renewables can't be successfully rolled out, given your evil blind ("invisible hand") neoliberal market orthodoxy.

lee wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 2:45pm:



Slippery vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideologue: renewables will work, when your vicious ideology is overthrown.

Interestingly, this BBC podcast faces the issue of the cost of the transition - and who is going to pay; the idea of an IMF-delivered debt-swap for developing countries is a move in the right direction.

The other problem is dispelling the orthodox idea that rich nations themselves are broke and struggling with inflation - all lies, which will nevertheless play havoc in the upcoming COP27 talks.

The truth will be faced eventually, as climate-related costs keep rising. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct33ps

lee wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 6:18pm:


You keep asserting this, mindlessly.  Enough sunshine falls on the world's sunny deserts to power the entire global economy many times over (backed by nuclear and pumped hydro storage). 

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As if your obsolete classical economics driven by greedy "invisible hand" markets has anything useful to say about "inflated dollars". '

Hint: countries can run out of resources, they can't run out of dollars, except in your obsolete monetary orthodoxy. 

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You mean the vicious, greedy "invisible hand" market fails again.  Climate change will cause the mother of all 'market failures'...