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Oct 13^th, 2022 at 7:14am

Well, I have just caught a number of remembrance TV shows about the Bali Bombing. There's plenty of air-time being given over to the subject which includes interviews with survivors. In any of them, I didn't hear a reference to Islam, even though Bali and the most high profile atrocities in the past 20 years were justified by the perpetrators as directed by the Koran.

In these programmes, the perpetrators are portrayed as faceless individuals with no affiliation, even when they claim to be carrying out Allah's work.

In this way, Islam succeeds in the simple desire to kill infidels, they don't indicate a desire to terrorise. With the help of the West's cultural tolerance, Islam has cowered us into a fear of naming the root-course of such atrocities. So when a Muslim runs amok with a knife in a crowd, shouting “Ali Akbah,” we will look no closer than the knife. Don't think any of this is lost on Islam. If you think Islam respects Western culture for its tolerance, you need to ask yourself why you believe this, as in what evidence exists, and also, why you confer on Islam a cultural equivalence in the face 86 deaths in Bali.

The perpetrators were not muslims, they were just criminals like car thieves. Tidy, isn't it. You don't have to think any further.

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Reply #1 - Oct 13^th, 2022 at 8:33am

issuevoter wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 7:14am:

Well, I have just caught a number of remembrance TV shows about the Bali Bombing. There's plenty of air-time being given over to the subject which includes interviews with survivors. In any of them, I didn't hear a reference to Islam, even though Bali and the most high profile atrocities in the past 20 years were justified by the perpetrators as directed by the Koran.

In these programmes, the perpetrators are portrayed as faceless individuals with no affiliation, even when they claim to be carrying out Allah's work.

In this way, Islam succeeds in the simple desire to kill infidels, they don't indicate a desire to terrorise. With the help of the West's cultural tolerance, Islam has cowered us into a fear of naming the root-course of such atrocities. So when a Muslim runs amok with a knife in a crowd, shouting “Ali Akbah,” we will look no closer than the knife. Don't think any of this is lost on Islam. If you think Islam respects Western culture for its tolerance, you need to ask yourself why you believe this, as in what evidence exists, and also, why you confer on Islam a cultural equivalence in the face 86 deaths in Bali.

The perpetrators were not muslims, they were just criminals like car thieves. Tidy, isn't it. You don't have to think any further.

It would be damaging to 'community relations' if it was shown that not every culti is keen on the 'multi' in multiculturalism. So instead it's always about "Muslims Fear Backlash from Tomorrow's Terror Attack".

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: It's Terrorism, Not Islam Reply #2 - Oct 13^th, 2022 at 10:32am It certainly is damaging to "Islamophobe relations" when it is shown that not every muslim is keen on terrorism.
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Reply #3 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 5:11pm

@ Reply #2,

"It certainly is damaging to ["ISLAMOPHOBES"] when it is shown that not every muslim is keen on terrorism."

gandalf,

What you are actually claiming in that statement, is that 'some' moslems do not support ISLAM.

That claim [yours] is a nonsense.

Because we all know, that EVERY moslem, is a follower of ISLAM.

That, is the dictionary definition of what a moslem is !

In that [CLAIMED] lack of support for terrorism [your claim], those persons do not qualify, to be accepted as 'moslems'.
....when it can be demonstrated from within the primary religious tenets of ISLAM, that hatred and hostility towards every non-moslem,
being expressed in acts of TERRORISM,
is encouraged by Mohammed himself.

Your claim on this open forum, that "not every muslim" supports terrorism,
....is not a reasonable or a credible claim, imo, gandalf.

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CONTRADICTORY EVIDENCES FROM ISLAMIC SOURCES,
INCLUDING THE INERRANT KORAN

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Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

Allah's Apostle said,
".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1608864099/1#1
Quote:

ARGUMENT;
The religious strictures of ISLAM require the follower of ISLAM;
1/ to love and to serve Allah's religion,
and,
2/ to hate all things which are deemed to be, NON-ISLAMIC.

".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."

The religious strictures of ISLAM itself, determine what type of life is acceptable to ISLAM. [a not uncommon situ, for followers of any religion]

And these religious strictures, 'nominate' [for the edification of the believer] every item [and idea] in this world, as being either ISLAMICALLY approved, or not.

And those 'things' which are not ISLAMICALLY approved, are to be rejected and hated, by the follower of ISLAM.

INCLUDING, all disbelievers. e.g. Koran 60.4

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FURTHER;

WWW search....
AL WALAA WAL BARAA, "Islamic jurists"

Essentially, it translates as;

".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."

It means, LOVING your moslem brothers. .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, HATING the non-moslem. .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, being a moslem.

It means, OBEYING ISLAMIC LAW !

Pure Al-wala' wa-l-bara' in the Koran....

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

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FROM WITHIN ISLAM's PRIMARY RELIGIOUS TEXT, THE KORAN,
HERE, ISLAM OPENLY STATES ITS OF HATRED OF, AND HOSTILITY TOWARDS,
ALL PERSONS WHO REJECT THE PRIMACY OF ISLAMIC AUTHORITY....

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44413	Re: It's Terrorism, Not Islam Reply #4 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 5:28pm Tell me, Yadda, does every Christian believe wholeheartedly in the Christian beliefs of the Church or the Bible? How then do you reconcile your beliefs with views evident in our supposed Christian society towards homosexuality or even towards such matters as money lending or slavery?
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Reply #5 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 5:36pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 5:11pm:

@ Reply #2,

"It certainly is damaging to ["ISLAMOPHOBES"] when it is shown that not every muslim is keen on terrorism."

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She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. Ezekiel 23:20 NIV

When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-20
When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. "Get out of here, baldy!" they said. "Get out of here, baldy!" He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 2 Kings 2:23-25 NIV
Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered. Matthew 21:18-22 NIV

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18
He [Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them.... He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. 2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT

You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man has sex with an animal, he must be put to death, and the animal must be killed. Leviticus 20:15 NLT

No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD. Deuteronomy 23:1 NRSV
Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookback, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken ... He shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries. Leviticus 21:17-23 KJV

Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same. Luke 3:11 NIV
Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place. Ephesians 5:4 NIV

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Reply #6 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 6:02pm

Jesus Curses a Fig Tree

18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.

20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked.

21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”

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Re: It's Terrorism, Not Islam
Reply #7 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 6:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 5:28pm:

Tell me, Yadda, does every Christian believe wholeheartedly in the Christian beliefs of the Church or the Bible?

How then do you reconcile your beliefs with views evident in our supposed Christian society towards homosexuality or even towards such matters as money lending or slavery? Roll Eyes

brian,

If you do not like what i have posted, you should delete my post - AS YOU NORMALLY DO.

[don't pretend, HERE, ....that you want to debate me.]

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Reply #8 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 7:08pm

I do not have the ability to delete anybodies' posts outside of the Defence Forum, as I have explained to you before, Yadda. You're obviously frightened of actually debating your views, aren't you? So afraid that you decide to actually acknowledge that I might, just might, have a point with you? You really are a hypocrite, criticising Muslims for not accepting criticism but at the same time not willing to accept criticism of your Christianity, hey? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Yadda. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 7:09pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 5:28pm:

Tell me, Yadda, does every Christian believe wholeheartedly in the Christian beliefs of the Church or the Bible?

How then do you reconcile your beliefs with views evident in our supposed Christian society towards homosexuality or even towards such matters as money lending or slavery? Roll Eyes

brian,

If you do not like what i have posted, you should delete my post - AS YOU NORMALLY DO.

[don't pretend, HERE, ....that you want to debate me.]

What kind of terrorist religion has this crap in their bible?

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18

He [Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them.... He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. 2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT

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Reply #10 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 7:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

It certainly is damaging to "Islamophobe relations" when it is shown that not every muslim is keen on terrorism.

So why don't they reign in those that are? Because they can't - the jihadis are impeccably more Islamic and Mohammed-like than the backsliders.
Muslims have been murderin each other and infidels on a very large scale from the day Mohammed died. It's like the religious wars of Europe, the 30 Years War in in the 17th century except it has been going on for 1400 years and waged against everyone with WrongThought, Muslim, infidel, whatever.

It's very hard to live up to Jesus's teachings and example. It's very easy to emulate Mohammed and the Jihadis are doing exactly that. That is why your kind of ineffectual yeah-but doesn't make any difference to the jihadis. You are simply not faithful enough for them.

Jihad will stop when the Sunni and the Shia stop murdering each other and agree to disagree - never.

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Reply #11 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 7:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 5:28pm:

Tell me, Yadda, does every Christian believe wholeheartedly in the Christian beliefs of the Church or the Bible?

How then do you reconcile your beliefs with views evident in our supposed Christian society towards homosexuality or even towards such matters as money lending or slavery? Roll Eyes

A very stupid, Bbwianesque analogy, Bbwian.

Does everyone with a driver's licence always follow the road rules??

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Reply #12 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 8:08pm

Frank wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 7:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 5:28pm:

Tell me, Yadda, does every Christian believe wholeheartedly in the Christian beliefs of the Church or the Bible?

How then do you reconcile your beliefs with views evident in our supposed Christian society towards homosexuality or even towards such matters as money lending or slavery? Roll Eyes

A very stupid, Bbwianesque analogy, Bbwian.

Does everyone with a driver's licence always follow the road rules??

Do all Muslims believe in Jihad, Soren? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 8:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 8:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 7:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 5:28pm:

Tell me, Yadda, does every Christian believe wholeheartedly in the Christian beliefs of the Church or the Bible?

How then do you reconcile your beliefs with views evident in our supposed Christian society towards homosexuality or even towards such matters as money lending or slavery? Roll Eyes

A very stupid, Bbwianesque analogy, Bbwian.

Does everyone with a driver's licence always follow the road rules??

Do all Muslims believe in Jihad, Soren? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

As imprecise as that question is, I'd have to say yes, they do. But to be fair I'd have to ask them what Jihad means to them.

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Reply #14 - Oct 14^th, 2022 at 8:31pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 8:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 8:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 7:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 5:28pm:

Tell me, Yadda, does every Christian believe wholeheartedly in the Christian beliefs of the Church or the Bible?

How then do you reconcile your beliefs with views evident in our supposed Christian society towards homosexuality or even towards such matters as money lending or slavery? Roll Eyes

A very stupid, Bbwianesque analogy, Bbwian.

Does everyone with a driver's licence always follow the road rules??

Do all Muslims believe in Jihad, Soren? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

As imprecise as that question is, I'd have to say yes, they do. But to be fair I'd have to ask them what Jihad means to them.

A valid point there, Setanta. I should of course have prefaced my question with the comment, "Violent Jihad". "Jihad" as most Muslims use the term refers to struggle, usually religious and often personal, which is sometimes "Jihad" is used as a forename for some people. It represents their parent's struggle to conceive them.

Let therefore rephrase my question, "do all Muslims believe in violent Jihad, Soren?"

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