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Reply #15 - Oct 13^th, 2022 at 5:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 5:42pm:

Dr Campbell has probably forgotten more than what old boomers like you know.

And yet he did not credit Tedros with the same and instead took a swipe at him by describing him as an Ethiopian politician.

I think Campbell has become a media whore and quasi-politician - becoming more concerned about his approval ratings than ethics or honesty.

That, and his self-obsession with being the single-handed, messianic 'saviour of the world'.

Codgerism at its worst.

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Reply #16 - Oct 13^th, 2022 at 5:56pm

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 7:56am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 12^th, 2022 at 7:13pm:

Fact checking has become the new buzzwords for lefties who think they know everything.

Most of these fact checkers are journalists who don't specialise in what they're checking they just form an opinion and push that narrative.

Dr Campbell on these fact checkers with interesting replies from the British Medical Journal on the errors of fact checkers.

It wasn't that long ago Twitter would ban people for spreading misinformation by saying covid vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. Dr Martensen has the twitter screenshots showing their idiotic policy which people are now trying to claim never happened as it has been proven vaccine doesn't prevent transmission.

This one has the UN representative saying ‘We own the science’ & ‘the world should know it’ so ‘we partnered with Google’ to ensure only UN climate results appear

Sometimes i have to search for the author in finding papers otherwise it's almost impossible to find them.

Welcome to the new world that George Orwell predicted.

We own the science’ & ‘the world should know it’ so ‘we partnered with Google’ to ensure only UN climate results appear

We have Twitter and Facebook admitting to censoring stuff that doesn't agree with CDC, we also have youtube banning people for doing the same thing.

We have the UN admitting they choose what people can see in promoting climate change religion.

A reasonable person would be outraged over this blatant censorship where any opposing voices are silenced.

To find the truth you need to hear both sides to find the truth which might be contained in some of what both sides say.

A heap of misinformation lies from these people on covid which has never been fact checked. They're on video telling lies and the sheeple believe these lies and never question them. It shows how stupid they are when they actually believe these lies.
https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1580101346652753920?cxt=HHwWgMDUxbLz0u0...

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Reply #17 - Oct 13^th, 2022 at 6:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 5:42pm:

Dr Campbell has probably forgotten more than what old boomers like you know.

And yet he did not credit Tedros with the same and instead took a swipe at him by describing him as an Ethiopian politician.

I think Campbell has become a media whore and quasi-politician - becoming more concerned about his approval ratings than ethics or honesty.

That, and his self-obsession with being the single-handed, messianic 'saviour of the world'.

Codgerism at its worst.

Dr Campbell has a degree in Biology and a masters in medical science. He is one of the few who actually followed real science instead of political science (fluent bullshit) in this pandemic.

He has never claimed to be saviour of the world he cites and provides links for every paper her talks about. Like a good scientist he has changed his position on several things when evidence proved it was wrong. Alfred Wegener came up with continental drift theory over 100 years ago he was mocked and ridiculed by mainstream science around 1967 they all realised he was right and every geology textbook was pulped and new ones printed when continental drift was accepted.

Of course he should have a swipe at the WHO they like just about everyone else stuffed up all aspects in handling this pandemic.

Does anyone remember this?

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Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳.

https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152

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Reply #18 - Oct 13^th, 2022 at 6:16pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 6:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 5:42pm:

Dr Campbell has probably forgotten more than what old boomers like you know.

And yet he did not credit Tedros with the same and instead took a swipe at him by describing him as an Ethiopian politician.

I think Campbell has become a media whore and quasi-politician - becoming more concerned about his approval ratings than ethics or honesty.

That, and his self-obsession with being the single-handed, messianic 'saviour of the world'.

Codgerism at its worst.

Dr Campbell has a degree in Biology and a masters in medical science. He is one of the few who actually followed real science instead of political science (fluent bullshit) in this pandemic.

Does he now... So he's a moral force for good because he has the ability to earn a degree. Is there a correlation between intelligence and morality?

'Followed real science'? What is real science, as opposed to science?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59830 Here Gender:	Re: Who fact checks the fact checkers? Reply #19 - Oct 13^th, 2022 at 6:50pm Most fact checking is accurate. Fact checking would be less needed if the Right occasionally used some facts.
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Reply #20 - Jun 13^th, 2023 at 5:40pm

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Fact check: Research papers have put forward evidence for airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2

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Posts shared widely on social media allege there is no scientific basis behind the use of face coverings during the COVID-19 pandemic. This is false.
The claim was shared on Jan. 9 and consisted of a quote from “Dr David Martin” claiming: “There is not a SINGLE paper – not one – that has actually documented that the pathogen detected in one patient was transmitted through the air from another patient…which means every single mask mandate is based on a BELIEF, not on science.”

Face coverings

Many governments have recommended face coverings to reduce the transmission of COVID-19, for instance here and here .

According to the Meedan Digital Health Lab, “mask wearing is a fundamental element of pandemic response for respiratory illnesses because masks act as a physical barrier from the release of infectious respiratory droplets that may come from your mouth or nose when you speak, sing, sneeze or cough.” (here)

This information is repeated by the CDC (here), WHO (here) and others.

This guidance is not based on a belief, as the post falsely claims, but scientific evidence that masks reduce the spread of droplets containing the virus.

Masks don't work the evidence from how many RCTs is very clear.

The fact checker was wrong.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30184 Gender:	Re: Who fact checks the fact checkers? Reply #21 - Jun 13^th, 2023 at 11:03pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 6:50pm: Most fact checking is accurate. Fact checking would be less needed if the Right occasionally used some facts.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59830 Here Gender:	Re: Who fact checks the fact checkers? Reply #22 - Jun 13^th, 2023 at 11:10pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 13^th, 2023 at 11:03pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 6:50pm: Most fact checking is accurate. Fact checking would be less needed if the Right occasionally used some facts. Yes the vast majority of genuine fact checks get it right.
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Reply #23 - Jun 13^th, 2023 at 11:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 13^th, 2023 at 5:40pm:

Masks don't work the evidence from how many RCTs is very clear.

The fact checker was wrong.

Still sticking with the Cochrane Review, are we?

Statement on 'Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses' review

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The Cochrane Review 'Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses' was published in January 2023 and has been widely misinterpreted.

Karla Soares-Weiser, Editor-in-Chief of the Cochrane Library, has responded on behalf of Cochrane:

"Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation.

It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people's risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses.

The review authors are clear on the limitations in the abstract: 'The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.' Adherence in this context refers to the number of people who actually wore the provided masks when encouraged to do so as part of the intervention. For example, in the most heavily-weighted trial of interventions to promote community mask wearing, 42.3% of people in the intervention arm wore masks compared to 13.3% of those in the control arm.

The original Plain Language Summary for this review stated that 'We are uncertain whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed.' This wording was open to misinterpretation, for which we apologize. While scientific evidence is never immune to misinterpretation, we take responsibility for not making the wording clearer from the outset. We are engaging with the review authors with the aim of updating the Plain Language Summary and abstract to make clear that the review looked at whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses".

You're welcome. Again.

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Reply #24 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 12:03am

Carl D wrote on Jun 13^th, 2023 at 11:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 13^th, 2023 at 5:40pm:

Masks don't work the evidence from how many RCTs is very clear.

The fact checker was wrong.

Still sticking with the Cochrane Review, are we?

Statement on 'Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses' review

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The Cochrane Review 'Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses' was published in January 2023 and has been widely misinterpreted.

Karla Soares-Weiser, Editor-in-Chief of the Cochrane Library, has responded on behalf of Cochrane:

[i][size=9]"Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation.

It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive.

You're welcome. Again.

The Cochrane report is why we aren't going to have mask mandates again. The Science is clear the 78 RCTs are the highest standard for evidence.

The RCTs show little to no difference between mask and no mask, the evidence with RCTs show little to no difference between surgical and N95s

If masks worked you would expect to see a big difference in reducing infections yet they say little to no difference which shows masks don't work.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19159 Gender:	Re: Who fact checks the fact checkers? Reply #25 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 12:06am Mask makers knew they don't work which is why they put warning labels on boxes. If you catch covid don't sue us we told you they don't work You're welcome Carl
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59830 Here Gender:	Re: Who fact checks the fact checkers? Reply #26 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 12:17am Who fact checks the fact checkers? Easy: The fact check checkers.
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Reply #27 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 12:22am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 12:06am:

Mask makers knew they don't work which is why they put warning labels on boxes.

If you catch covid don't sue us we told you they don't work

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You're welcome Carl

And yet countries that used Masks distancing and isolation had much less covid deaths. Maybe it was the label on the box that didn't work.

Maybe they were just protecting their bottom.

Masks were never primarily about protecting yourself they were about preventing you from spreading to others. Nothing on the box about that.

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Reply #28 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 12:49am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 12:22am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 12:06am:

Mask makers knew they don't work which is why they put warning labels on boxes.

If you catch covid don't sue us we told you they don't work

Grin

You're welcome Carl

And yet countries that used Masks distancing and isolation had much less covid deaths. Maybe it was the label on the box that didn't work.

Germany had N95 mask mandates how did they compare to Sweden?

If masks worked you would expect to see a huge difference.

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Reply #29 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 8:34am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 12:06am:

Mask makers knew they don't work which is why they put warning labels on boxes.

If you catch covid don't sue us we told you they don't work

Grin

You're welcome Carl

And here's Baronvonrort with the 'baggy blue' surgical mask image again.

I don't know how many times I (and others) have tried to explain this.

WEAR A HIGH QUALITY MASK LIKE AN N95 NOT SURGICAL 'BAGGY BLUES' (which are only designed to protect surgeons from blood splatters, etc. while they're doing operations).

Seriously - what it is with these antivaxxers and conspiracy nuts with their endless posting of the same disproved nonsense over and over...?

Is it a sign of low intelligence?
Is it a sign of brain damage (memory issues) from catching Covid?
Is it a sign of trolling?

Or is it all 3?

Who knows? Roll Eyes

And, yes... you're welcome (again).

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