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No knives in school for Sikhs
Oct 6th, 2022 at 5:52pm
 
Some commonsense has prevailed in not bowing to religious minorities in their expectations as to what their religious beliefs can be exempted from ....

and the request to alter the weapons act to be allowed to carry Sikh ceremonial knives is one that has been rejected and rightly so.

Especially in light of this incident that occurred in Sept 2021 in Brisbane ......

where feuding Sikhs used ceremonial weapons in a brawl at the local Sikh temple in the suburb of Runcorn. 

This from the Courier Mail today 6/10/22(paywalled)

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COURT REFUSES TO SEE POINT
MATTY HOLDSWORTH
THE Supreme Court has dismissed an application that would allow knives to be carried into Queensland schools
for “genuine religious purposes”.
Court documents have revealed the director of an Australian religious group had applied for the state
government’s Weapons Act to be amended in the Queensland Supreme Court.
The application was made by Kamaljit Athwal, the director of the Sikh Nishkam Society of Australia, who said
the Weapons Act prevented her and others from entering Queensland schools for educational purposes.
According to the court document, Ms Athwal is an initiated as an Amritdhari Sikh and has been the society’s
director since 2010.
Initiated Sikhs are required at all times to wear or possess five mandatory “articles of faith”, which include an
undergarment, a small wooden comb, an iron band, have “un-cut” hair covered by a turban and a ceremonial
sword.
The sword, known as a kirpan, is made of steel or iron and is usually worn underneath clothing on a sling.
Kirpans come in a variety of shapes, sizes, bluntness and material.
Ms Athwal argued in the court document that if a Sikh were to remove any of the articles of faith, including in
instances of medical emergency, they must refrain from eating or drinking for a period of time.
“That would extend to the removal of the kirpan to enter school grounds,” the document read.
Ms Athwal said she and other initiated Sikhs had been excluded from school drop-offs and pick-ups, from
attending assemblies, meeting teachers, attending school activities and conducting work on school groups.
“Initiated Sikhs are prevented from entering school grounds because of their religious beliefs as a result of the
act, which impinges on a number of human rights and freedoms not suffered by non-Sikhs,” the document
read.
Further, Ms Athwal contended her ability to vote at government elections at her local school had been
deprived, given it was the most convenient place for her to do so.
Under the Weapons Act, a person must not physically possess a knife in a public place or a school unless the
person has a reasonable excuse. Maximum penalties including one year’s imprisonment. The Supreme Court
acknowledged the difficulties initiated Sikhs faced, however, on September 30, it dismissed the court
application.
It comes after a Queensland school allowed a Sikh parent to carry a sword through its gates in 2016 after it
bowed to religious sensitivities.
The incident prompted complaints from parents concerned that it might frighten children and potentially put
them in danger.
The school’s principal said at the time that police had told him it was “completely” legal.
(Police would never have said that.)



Article of the incident last year through SBS.
https://www.sbs.com.au/language/punjabi/en/podcast-episode/shocked-and-scared-br...
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Reply #1 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:00pm
 
One Law For All - All Laws For One!!

No More Special Treatment because of your colour, religion or anything else.
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Reply #2 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:05pm
 
Kamaljit Kaur Athwal v State of Queensland[2022] QSC 209

[90]The application therefore fails.
The parties in that regard agreed costs lie where they fall and there will be no order as to costs.


https://www.queenslandjudgments.com.au/caselaw/qsc/2022/209
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Reply #3 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:17pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:00pm:
One Law For All - All Laws For One!!

No More Special Treatment because of your colour, religion or anything else.


Yep.
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Reply #4 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:22pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:05pm:
Kamaljit Kaur Athwal v State of Queensland[2022] QSC 209

[90]The application therefore fails.
The parties in that regard agreed costs lie where they fall and there will be no order as to costs.


https://www.queenslandjudgments.com.au/caselaw/qsc/2022/209



More discrimination?

Usually the loser gets slapped with the costs for bringing the matter to court.

Although I know of a case where the defendant won but still had costs awarded against him not those who bought the case to court & lost.

All done at taxpayers expense .. they lose & the costs are imposed on the successful party?

The system is a joke.
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Reply #5 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 7:26pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:00pm:
No More Special Treatment because of your colour, religion or anything else.



not what you were saying when Israel Folau was sacked  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #6 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 7:29pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 7:26pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:00pm:
No More Special Treatment because of your colour, religion or anything else.



not what you were saying when Israel Folau was sacked  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


No special treatment... freedom of speech applies equally.

That's why I don't report nutjobs like Clefty and liars like random.... they are perfectly capable of destroying themselves.....

Rugby boys always stick together....
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Reply #7 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 7:30pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 7:29pm:
No special treatment... freedom of speech applies equally.



there is no freedon of speech There never has been and there never will be. It's an illusion. All speech comes with consequences. Falou is not exempt from that

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Reply #8 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:31pm
 
Well, it's just a religious view and not throw at anyone specific... like stating the weather, Elaine ...... or just shaking hands, Mr Robinson (check The Graduate - jeez - there were gonna cast Robert Redford in that role - egads) ....
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Reply #9 - Oct 7th, 2022 at 7:16am
 
No knives in Sikhs and non-Sikhs in schools...

Please check in guns, knives and
religious fervour at the door before entering.
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Reply #10 - Oct 7th, 2022 at 9:47am
 
There should be a generous "Return Home" package for Sikhs ... a free air fare, $2,000 dollars spending money, temporary accommodation and meals on arrival in India, and some suggestions where to find employment ... also free car rental for one week so they can get around to visit relos and their oldies

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