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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1380 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 9:27pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30^th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 30^th, 2023 at 3:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30^th, 2023 at 2:11pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2023 at 9:27pm:

And there are 13.4 million who are employed.

Correct, so let's see what you've got for the 1.25 million who can't find work.

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How did they manage? 10 times more than your grossly inflated number. How did SO many more manage if the 'system's stacked against them?

The system's stacked against those who are the least competitive in the available job market, hence are involuntarily unemployed.

The employed managed because they successfully competed in the available job market.

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Why are they pouring in from every corner of the globe if it is such a hell hole in Australia?

Because poverty is relative, especially when war and social unrest are thrown into the mix.

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Your mindless, idiotic rhetoric is invariably running away with you, parrot.

Refuted above....

Yeah, a semi illiterate Arab with two wives and 8 kids of an illiterate Aborigine with 3 kids would get more in social security than he could earn.

Under the present poverty industry arrangements, yes.

But a JG system would have different arrangements for such family units. eg, lower support payments for below working age kids, since the working parent(s) will receive a better pay than the dole.

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What jobs would you guarantee for them? Would they turn up for it?

An above poverty wage is a much more attractive option than poverty-level dole.

Not if it is below the social security money, silly parrot.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1381 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 10:49pm

Frank wrote on Mar 30^th, 2023 at 9:27pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30^th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 30^th, 2023 at 3:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30^th, 2023 at 2:11pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2023 at 9:27pm:

And there are 13.4 million who are employed.

Correct, so let's see what you've got for the 1.25 million who can't find work.

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How did they manage? 10 times more than your grossly inflated number. How did SO many more manage if the 'system's stacked against them?

The system's stacked against those who are the least competitive in the available job market, hence are involuntarily unemployed.

The employed managed because they successfully competed in the available job market.

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Why are they pouring in from every corner of the globe if it is such a hell hole in Australia?

Because poverty is relative, especially when war and social unrest are thrown into the mix.

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Your mindless, idiotic rhetoric is invariably running away with you, parrot.

Refuted above....

Yeah, a semi illiterate Arab with two wives and 8 kids of an illiterate Aborigine with 3 kids would get more in social security than he could earn.

Under the present poverty industry arrangements, yes.

But a JG system would have different arrangements for such family units. eg, lower support payments for below working age kids, since the working parent(s) will receive a better pay than the dole.

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What jobs would you guarantee for them? Would they turn up for it?

An above poverty wage is a much more attractive option than poverty-level dole.

Not if it is below the social security money, silly parrot.

...almost there: your error is to disregard the psychological and physical, as well as monetary expenses of child rearing; most parents don't WANT to overbreed.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87675 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1382 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 7:15am So a voice referendum to suit a few whiners is going to change all that? How about sticking to the issue?
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1383 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 11:15am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 31^st, 2023 at 7:15am:

So a voice referendum to suit a few whiners is going to change all that?

How about sticking to the issue?

A JG IS the issue - for whites AND blacks; you just can't see it.

Which will become clear in the near-term (5 years or so), regardless of the referendum result.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87675 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1384 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 12:06pm A JG is not the answer - that is a totally unproven idea and without work there are no jobs. Star Counter....
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44327	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1385 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 1:33pm Who is running the Voice to Parliament No campaigns?
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1386 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 1:36pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 31^st, 2023 at 12:06pm:

A JG is not the answer - that is a totally unproven idea and without work there are no jobs.

Star Counter....

"Without work there are no jobs"?

A statement of the bleeding obvious? (my turn...)

That's why we need government to act as employer of last resort.

But it's not too late to learn, google the 'Powell Manifesto' (1971) and its determination - and success - to put corporations back in charge of US capitalism, by reducing union power and government intervention in the free-market economy.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 51444 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1387 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 3:29pm Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2023 at 1:33pm: Who is running the Voice to Parliament No campaigns? "Another position on the No side of the campaign has been labelled the "progressive no", a term coined by Independent Victorian Senator Lidia Thorpe."
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44327	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1388 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 4:51pm Health boss calls for more education on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice to Parliament
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1389 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 6:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2023 at 4:51pm:

Health boss calls for more education on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice to Parliament Cool

This referendum is going down.

Not if you only ever consume the ABC and the Granuiad. Then you live in fervent agitation and hope - and divorced from the electorate.

Something so divisive will not get the nod. But if it does, gweggy turd will leave the forum, like he did when Trump won in 2016.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 31417 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1390 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 6:22pm Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2023 at 4:51pm: Health boss calls for more education on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice to Parliament What the f uc k would they know?
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1391 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 6:40pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 31^st, 2023 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2023 at 4:51pm:

Health boss calls for more education on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice to Parliament Cool

What the

f

uc

k

would they know?

For a health boss his eyes look fkkd.
Sorry, it's the other Abo agitating for spearing instead of incarceration.

Stone Age meets the 21 st century.

There is no going back to 1787. Not by voice, not by inventing 'first nations', not by inventing any crap.

Aborigines need to join the world as it is. The world is not going to revert to the stone age just to excuse some Abos who can't catch up.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1392 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 9:44pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2023 at 1:36pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 31^st, 2023 at 12:06pm:

A JG is not the answer - that is a totally unproven idea and without work there are no jobs.

Star Counter....

"Without work there are no jobs"?

A statement of the bleeding obvious? (my turn...)

That's why we need government to act as employer of last resort.

But it's not too late to learn, google the 'Powell Manifesto' (1971) and its determination - and success - to put corporations back in charge of US capitalism, by reducing union power and government intervention in the free-market economy.

Jesus, lad - employer to do what? Everything has been pointed out to you time and again about how things have been tried over and over, and how giving someone a few hours work is less than useless.

You will not get some people to come to work when they can do better not coming to work, and my experience is that some will see this as a golden opportunity to go on compo and DSP for life.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1393 - Apr 1^st, 2023 at 7:11am

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A senior Aboriginal health official from Broken Hill in far west New South Wales believes a constitutionally-enshrined First Nations Voice to Parliament will bring issues facing regional communities to national attention.

Their issues are already brought to National attention ..... by the over duplications of hundreds of Aboriginal representative bodies that are already in existence.

If you read the article you will see Broken Hill has a representative member of an Aboriginal Regional Assembly that has been communicating with Govt since 2004.

Yet he wants another "Voice" to govt.

Here's a bloke who is in a cush job, a Meriam Melanesian man from Torres Straits island of Mer.... why isn't he at home looking after his peoples best interests instead of Aboriginal people around Broken Hill?

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A far west community governance model already exists in the Murdi Paaki Regional Assembly, comprising 16 community working parties, including one in Broken Hill. Mr Weston said the forum had been communicating with the government about regional issues since 2004.

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4372 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1394 - Apr 1^st, 2023 at 8:36am The Voice will destroy Australia Anyone who votes Yes is a domestic enemy
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