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Reply #45 - Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:51pm

lee wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:14pm:

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 8:44pm:

Facts don't lie, Lee. Australia is buggered, but we're ready to clean it up. The majority of us are willing to take action, and if you're a Campbell Newman or a Craig Kelly or a silly old Clive Palmer, you can shop around for another country.

Ah so you believe in Albo, Justice and the American Australian dream. Powered by renewables despite scientists saying it is a forlorn hope.

But of course. We'll get there too.

Alas, I doubt we'll get there before 2⁰, so there's that...

Have you ever worked in mining yourself, Lee?

I'm curious.

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Reply #46 - Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:55pm

Frank wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:25pm:

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 8:44pm:

lee wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 8:31pm:

RMIT fact check? You mean one of those places of suppsedly higher learning has there own fact check? Who does this on their behalf?

Oh the IFCN.
"It was selected for this database because it fits our researchers' inclusion criteria."

So it has to fit their researcher's biases. Grin

A vital supporter of Farcebook.

Too funny Karny. Grin

I thought so, dear. When I first saw the old boy's declaration I though, ah.

Now I know. Ee.

Facts don't lie, Lee. Australia is fucked, but we're ready to clean it up. The majority of us are willing to take action, and if you're a Campbell Newman or a Craig Kelly or a silly old Clive Palmer, you can shop around for another country.

So can the old boy - he's perfectly free to go back to where he came from.

But here in jolly old Oz, we're not playing your game anymore. It's time.

We're stuck with you, Lee, but we know you well by now. A couple of chuckles and you're happy.

All good Grin

Remove resentment and bitter rancour from that and what is left?? Two bananas and 10 rupees.

That's all the good of it.

Tapdancing coming up.

Not at all. We're Australians. We may not agree with what you have to say, dear boy, but we'll fight to the death for your right to say it.

Now, back to your "statistical" Climate Declaration. Are there any facts in there you wanted to raise, or did you just post it for the title?

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Reply #47 - Sep 17^th, 2022 at 10:04pm

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

lee wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 8:36pm:

Farc3ebook an ICFN-

"Facebook finally admitted the truth: The “fact checks” that social media use to police what Americans read and watch are just “opinion.”

That’s thanks to a lawsuit brought by celebrated journalist John Stossel, which has exposed the left’s supposed battle against “misinformation” as a farce."

https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-j....

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The Farce4book defence - "It is only opinion". Grin

Not at all. Facts can be tested, and often are, in court. Opinion too. Australia has had universal defamation laws since 2008.

That's why I can say Clintel's "Climate Declaration" is deceptive and not get taken to court by the fossil fuel lobby.

I'm not saying that as an opinion, I'm stating the fact that it refuses to disclose its "signatories" to its declarations.

I'm also stating the fact that its membership comprises of key players in the mining industry. I'm saying much of its "research" comes from fossil fuel lobbies like the Saltbush Club, an anti-renewable organization.

They gave ScoMo many of his talking points about electric cars destroying the weekend in the 2019 campaign. They also hate wind turbines, and you'd expect them to - they're funded by fossil fuel. You can read about their political connections here:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2020/02/06/saltbush-club-part-one/

These are facts. It's my opinion that such groups are a cancer on Australian society and I'm grateful to the rest of Australia showing them the door in the last election. I'm allowed to have this opinion, but if I say its a fact, you can sue me, so please feel free to do so.

Your tirade about fact checking being leftard is just silly rhetotlrical waffle in the genre of "alternative facts". We used to call this satire, in the tradition of Jonathon Swift and George Orwell. Now, polemicists like yourself have turned it into an alternative version of reality.

Its popular too. You can watch it nightly on the Sky or Fox talk shows. It's also my opinion that they are a form of cancer too, just like the old boy's Climate Declaration. Rupert, of course, has a foot in both.

And yes, it's all funded and propagated by the same players. Some of those Saltbush emissaries are wheeled out on Sky each night, just like the astrophysicist in the OP.

They dont have to say much, just question the facts. How can we tell climate change is happening? How do we know? Who can say? Questions, questions. This is pretty much your entire schtick- apart from the giggles, its what you do.

We got to see alternative facts on trial in the last US election, remember? One by one, Dear Leader's "facts" got thrown out of court. Dear Leader couldn't handle it. He was used to making his case on Fox News.

Then, Tucker and Hannity got their day, as Dominion sued them . They had made the mistake of stating their opinions as facts. They, of course, were used to speaking to Dear Leader, so it was all a muddle, a "feedback loop" as the astrophysicists like to say. Suffice to say, Dear Leader's judges didn't help him out with his "facts". Fox News defendants are still in court.

Facts matter, Lee. There are no leftard facts, just as there is no scientific controversy over climate change. The scientific consensus is its happening. The critics are those "signatories" to the old boy's declaration: LNP politicians, mining magnates and fossil fuel lobbyists.

The rest of them don't want you to know. They hung up on those mean lefty fact-checkers before they could be asked. Are you, or have you ever been, a signatory to the "Climate Declaration"?

...

So unfair, no?

Conspiwacy, conspiwacy everywhere....Lines must be toed, as every Paki schoolboy knows. The Party declared consensus so consensus it is. Facts are as set down by the Party - nobody else has the ability to discern facts, but the Party. The Party has defined facts so any deviance is a betrayal of the Party and will be dealt with accordingly by the Party apparatus of enforcement of the One True Truth.

Or else. And 'oh yes'. And Faruqi is a great Pakistani, even greater than mustafaken khunt. And tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

Have your fill of bananas and all the rupees you think you have earned.

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Re: The Climate Change Cult will not like this
Reply #48 - Sep 17^th, 2022 at 10:33pm

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Conspiwacy, conspiwacy everywhere....Lines must be toed, as every Paki schoolboy knows. The Party declared consensus so consensus it is. Facts are as set down by the Party - nobody else has the ability to discern facts, but the Party. The Party has defined facts so any deviance is a betrayal of the Party and will be dealt with accordingly by the Party apparatus of enforcement of the One True Truth.

Or else. And 'oh yes'. And Faruqi is a great Pakistani, even greater than mustafaken khunt. And tsk, tsk Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Have your fill of bananas and all the rules you think you have earned.

Sorry, dear boy, I'm not seeing any "statistics" in there. Would you like to address the facts or just have a jolly drunken snort?

Do feel free to reference your Climate Declaration, although you might want to have a quick sqiz first, okay?

We'll wait for you to catch up. Are you okay if we post a few chuckles while we wait? Are you okay if we ask Brian to pop in with his yawn?

It might cheer you up a bit.

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Re: The Climate Change Cult will not like this
Reply #49 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:11am

waggawoody wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 10:39pm:

Ooops… this interview definitely didn’t go as planned

https://twitter.com/goodfoodgal/status/1568173044828631041

Okay. Piers Corbyn is, primarily, a conspiracy theorist. Secondly, an
astrophysicist is not a climatologist; they're two different disciplines.
Corbyn simply uses his qualification as an appeal to authority.

Corbyn rejects the scientific consensus on climate change. He denies
that humans play a role in climate change, and spreads false and
discredited narratives about the issue. He has claimed that the media,
the UK Met Office and "corrupt scientists" are brainwashing the public
as part of a Qatar-run conspiracy to keep oil prices high.

He's also asserted his false belief that COVID and the associated ongoing
pandemic a hoax, describing it as a "psychological operation to close down
the economy in the interests of mega-corporations".

Laughably, Corbyn claims that the Moon's periodic cycles affect our
climate—which makes me doubt even his astrophysics credentials.

And bizarrely, he claims that complying with the government's vaccine
rollout was the same as the German people submitting to Nazi rule!

So... anything this crackpot says can safely be consigned to the circular file. Angry

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Reply #50 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:37pm

Hard to say, Geoff. It's possible the moon does effect the climate. It certainly effects the tides.

But to imagine that the human transition to a fossil fuel economy and the quadrupling of the population to 8 billion in the space of a century would not effect the climate is completely delusional.

There are no facts to support the deniers, no compelling arguments, but also no consistency. They flip and they flop from no global warming to okay maybe a bit to it's just weather, what can you do?

Well, we can transition to a renewable economy by 2050, as the EU plans to do. 60% of South Australian energy is renewable. In a few years it'll be 85%. Tasmania is 90%. Canberra is now 100%. Our own rooftops are an energy source that could be connected to power Australia, if not cities in Asia, with renewable energy. This is all possible with government commitment, legislation, action.

Until now, the problem has been political. News Ltd and the Coalition had a pact to keep the climate wars going. At the last election, voters showed what they could do, despite all the money poured in by the fossil fuel industry. We may now have a chance.

The Libs, of course, could rebrand themselves as a sensible, science-based conservative party - like most European conservatives, but they won't. Coal is in their veins. There are no moderates left, and the hard-right are too busy lunching with mining executives to see what's happened.

Australia has changed. We ALL see the need for action. The old boys are marginalised, tucked away in their fossil-fuel funded ideologies. The rest of us have seen the fires and the floods and the temperatures rising. We know. We can spot the Climate Declarations and the Piers Corbyns a mile away.

Murdoch hasn't gone anywhere, but we all know what he's up to. Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones can bleat away all they like, we're not listening anymore. And do you know?

No one's going to play the denialists' games anymore. We're done. We have a consensus, we're moving on.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Re: The Climate Change Cult will not like this
Reply #51 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:54pm

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:51pm:

Alas, I doubt we'll get there before 2⁰, so there's that...

So perhaps you can convince me with science that 2C is dangerous?

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:51pm:

Have you ever worked in mining yourself, Lee?

No. But I have been a pilot of heavy machinery to mining operations.

BTW - Did you know there is a need for much more mining for renewables? More copper because each wind turbine needs its own windings. More rare earths for the permanent magnets of the wind turbines. More mining for lead, arsenic, silica etc for Solar Panels. More mining for lithium for batteries.

They all come from mining companies.

And of course there are no solar panels made with solar power, it is just too variable.

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

I'm not saying that as an opinion, I'm stating the fact that it refuses to disclose its "signatories" to its declarations.

And yet you found those "undisclosed" signatories. Well done you.

But maybe you should have looked at -

https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/WCD-version-091522.pdf (Edit to close url bracket)

If Crikey is your best source you probably need to change it. Wink

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

I'm also stating the fact that its membership comprises of key players in the mining industry. I'm saying much of its "research" comes from fossil fuel lobbies like the Saltbush Club, an anti-renewable organization.

Yes. Shell, BP, Mobil. Renewables giants. Wink

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Re: The Climate Change Cult will not like this
Reply #52 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:57pm

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:11am:

Corbyn rejects the scientific consensus on climate change.

Consensus is politics not science.

Edit: "Laughably, Corbyn claims that the Moon's periodic cycles affect our
climate—which makes me doubt even his astrophysics credentials."

"Moon wobble to exacerbate climate change flooding effects in next lunar cycle, NASA warns"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-16/nasa-warns-moon-wobble-to-exacerbate-floo...

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Reply #53 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 1:18pm

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 6:42pm:

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 4:38pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 1:42pm:

It is shattering to the Climate Cultists when their false religion is exposed. The interviewer in the OP was outraged and the cutists on this forum are behaving the same. Grin

Just so. Just look at what an average 1⁰ degree rise has already done. No one's calling the recent flood and bushfire survivors cultists - or their insurance companies. We want to help, dear. That's the Australian way.

A 2⁰ rise will fundamentally change the planet's ecosystems. The melting of glaciers alone will destroy major river systems. As we've already seen, however, the fires, floods and droughts will be worse than they ever were, we have already seen it. We may be the last generation left to be relatively untouched by climate change.

We'll hit 2⁰ some time this century. The world then will be a totally different place.

Pointless to be outraged, but at least we now have politicians in power who are prepared to take some action. Xi, Modi and Putin are going to need some persuading too.

You?

You do realise that this is....er... statistics?

https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration/

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Is it?

Quote:

In late September 2019 the group produced an open letter which presented a European Climate Declaration, stating that there was no climate emergency and repeating a number of claims that were inconsistent with the scientific evidence on climate.[10]

A fact check performed by climate scientists for Climate Feedback gave the letter an overall scientific credibility of "very low", and tagged it as "Biased, Cherry-picking, Inaccurate, Misleading". The analysis also added that, out of the roughly 500 signatories, only 10 self-identified as climate scientists.[11] The document was later rebranded as the World Climate Declaration.[12]

But of course.

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Augustinus Johannes "Guus" Berkhout (born 1940) is a Dutch engineer who has worked for the oil and gas industry, and as a professor.

Berkhout started his career working for Shell. Between 1976 and 2007, he served as professor of acoustics, geophysics and innovation management, at Delft University of Technology. From 2000 to 2002 he was chair of a commission dealing with projected sound norms at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, from which he resigned after feeling the commission's independence was undermined by the Ministry for Transport and Water Management. In 2019, Berkhout co-founded the climate sceptic organization Climate Intelligence Foundation (CLINTEL).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guus_Berkhout

So that's that. Back to your bananas.

So he was a professor for 30 years, until his retirement for academia. No good??

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Re: The Climate Change Cult will not like this
Reply #54 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 1:20pm

FD wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:37pm:

There are no facts to support the deniers, no compelling arguments, but also no consistency.

Who denies climate? Who denies climate changes?

FD wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:37pm:

Well, we can transition to a renewable economy by 2050, as the EU plans to do.

You mean the same EU that is backtracking? The one that says gas is now good? Perhaps one like Germany that has a peak usage of 100GW, Solar has about 48GW and wind 62GW. Germany should be able to make baseload with no trouble.

FD wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:37pm:

Canberra is now 100%.

Not really. They buy credits to offset their carbon. Power lines can't differentiate between carbon and carbon free sources.

"Rather, for every watt of power the ACT consumes, it pays one back through its renewable investments around the country."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-01/act-is-100-per-cent-renewable-but-what-do...

FD wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:37pm:

Until now, the problem has been political. News Ltd and the Coalition had a pact to keep the climate wars going. At the last election, voters showed what they could do, despite all the money poured in by the fossil fuel industry. We may now have a chance.

You still haven't put figures to your Utopian Green.

FD wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:37pm:

The rest of us have seen the fires and the floods and the temperatures rising.

Did you know Arrhenius thought that rising CO2 was most likely beneficial, as have many others since.

Now all you have to do is show that it is CO2. Not Los Ninas, Las Ninos or other weather system but CO2. Models are not proof of anything.

The earth has been in a good place for the last 150 years. Fossil fuels have given us light to study at night, electricity so hospitals can operate around the clock. But the Utopian ideal seems to want to deny those rights to poorer countries.

Greenpeace provided a solar panel to an Indian Village. Of course it didn't work well after about 3pm and not at all at night. They requested "real power".

"Greenpeace solar station now an Indian village’s cattle shed"

https://www.worldtribune.com/greenpeace-solar-station-now-an-indian-villages-cat...

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Reply #55 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 1:34pm

lee wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:54pm:

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:51pm:

Alas, I doubt we'll get there before 2⁰, so there's that...

So perhaps you can convince me with science that 2C is dangerous?

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:51pm:

Have you ever worked in mining yourself, Lee?

No. But I have been a pilot of heavy machinery to mining operations.

BTW - Did you know there is a need for much more mining for renewables? More copper because each wind turbine needs its own windings. More rare earths for the permanent magnets of the wind turbines. More mining for lead, arsenic, silica etc for Solar Panels. More mining for lithium for batteries.

They all come from mining companies.

And of course there are no solar panels made with solar power, it is just too variable.

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

I'm not saying that as an opinion, I'm stating the fact that it refuses to disclose its "signatories" to its declarations.

And yet you found those "undisclosed" signatories. Well done you.

But maybe you should have looked at -

[url]https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/WCD-version-091522.pdf[/url

If Criukey is your best source you probably need to change it. Wink

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

I'm also stating the fact that its membership comprises of key players in the mining industry. I'm saying much of its "research" comes from fossil fuel lobbies like the Saltbush Club, an anti-renewable organization.

Yes. Shell, BP, Mobil. Renewables giants. Wink

Lee is right, Mustaphaken.

In addition to the massive demand solar and wind have on mined minerals, their energy and other costs of their recycling is also enourmous. Most solar panels are made in China so focus on solar is shifting energy dependency from the Arabs to the CCP. Wind is even sketchier.

I can't see solar or wind being the future.

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Reply #56 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 5:23pm

Those of the climate religion find it very difficult to swallow a dose of the truth instead of the usual manipulated and cherry picked data.
The climate has and always will change and has very little to do with humans on the planet, very few if any of their wild and hysterical predictions have eventuated.
It's become a business and even if they have to fabricate studies to obtain funding its seems they think it's ok.
There is no climate emergency, that's for sure.

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Reply #57 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:33pm

Ron wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 5:23pm:

Those of the climate religion find it very difficult to swallow a dose of the truth instead of the usual manipulated and cherry picked data.
The climate has and always will change and has very little to do with humans on the planet, very few if any of their wild and hysterical predictions have eventuated.
It's become a business and even if they have to fabricate studies to obtain funding its seems they think it's ok.
There is no climate emergency, that's for sure.

Who's Matty?

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Reply #58 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:36pm

Frank wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 1:18pm:

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 6:42pm:

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 4:38pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 1:42pm:

It is shattering to the Climate Cultists when their false religion is exposed. The interviewer in the OP was outraged and the cutists on this forum are behaving the same. Grin

Just so. Just look at what an average 1⁰ degree rise has already done. No one's calling the recent flood and bushfire survivors cultists - or their insurance companies. We want to help, dear. That's the Australian way.

A 2⁰ rise will fundamentally change the planet's ecosystems. The melting of glaciers alone will destroy major river systems. As we've already seen, however, the fires, floods and droughts will be worse than they ever were, we have already seen it. We may be the last generation left to be relatively untouched by climate change.

We'll hit 2⁰ some time this century. The world then will be a totally different place.

Pointless to be outraged, but at least we now have politicians in power who are prepared to take some action. Xi, Modi and Putin are going to need some persuading too.

You?

You do realise that this is....er... statistics?

https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration/

Collect bananas, 10 rupees and sack cloth - then rend donated sack cloth and heap ash on your sinful head. Naughty, naughty wee bufty from glorious Pakistan. Soo bad.

Is it?

Quote:

In late September 2019 the group produced an open letter which presented a European Climate Declaration, stating that there was no climate emergency and repeating a number of claims that were inconsistent with the scientific evidence on climate.[10]

A fact check performed by climate scientists for Climate Feedback gave the letter an overall scientific credibility of "very low", and tagged it as "Biased, Cherry-picking, Inaccurate, Misleading". The analysis also added that, out of the roughly 500 signatories, only 10 self-identified as climate scientists.[11] The document was later rebranded as the World Climate Declaration.[12]

But of course.

Quote:

Augustinus Johannes "Guus" Berkhout (born 1940) is a Dutch engineer who has worked for the oil and gas industry, and as a professor.

Berkhout started his career working for Shell. Between 1976 and 2007, he served as professor of acoustics, geophysics and innovation management, at Delft University of Technology. From 2000 to 2002 he was chair of a commission dealing with projected sound norms at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, from which he resigned after feeling the commission's independence was undermined by the Ministry for Transport and Water Management. In 2019, Berkhout co-founded the climate sceptic organization Climate Intelligence Foundation (CLINTEL).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guus_Berkhout

So that's that. Back to your bananas.

So he was a professor for 30 years, until his retirement for academia. No good??

No good?

Oh, old boy, you really need a banana after that one.

Have two. Knock yourself out.

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Reply #59 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:41pm

Frank wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 1:34pm:

lee wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 12:54pm:

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:51pm:

Alas, I doubt we'll get there before 2⁰, so there's that...

So perhaps you can convince me with science that 2C is dangerous?

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:51pm:

Have you ever worked in mining yourself, Lee?

No. But I have been a pilot of heavy machinery to mining operations.

BTW - Did you know there is a need for much more mining for renewables? More copper because each wind turbine needs its own windings. More rare earths for the permanent magnets of the wind turbines. More mining for lead, arsenic, silica etc for Solar Panels. More mining for lithium for batteries.

They all come from mining companies.

And of course there are no solar panels made with solar power, it is just too variable.

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

I'm not saying that as an opinion, I'm stating the fact that it refuses to disclose its "signatories" to its declarations.

And yet you found those "undisclosed" signatories. Well done you.

But maybe you should have looked at -

[url]https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/WCD-version-091522.pdf[/url

If Criukey is your best source you probably need to change it. Wink

FD wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

I'm also stating the fact that its membership comprises of key players in the mining industry. I'm saying much of its "research" comes from fossil fuel lobbies like the Saltbush Club, an anti-renewable organization.

Yes. Shell, BP, Mobil. Renewables giants. Wink

Lee is right, Mustaphaken.

In addition to the massive demand solar and wind have on mined minerals, their energy and other costs of their recycling is also enourmous. Most solar panels are made in China so focus on solar is shifting energy dependency from the Arabs to the CCP. Wind is even sketchier.

I can't see solar or wind being the future.

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Wind turbines use steel, eh? Diabolical. Solar panels are made in Chi-na?

Well, that's that, dear boy. Let's call the whole thing off.

We'll stick with the Saudis and the 2⁰.

All good.

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