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Re: The Climate Change Cult will not like this
Reply #15 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 2:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2022 at 12:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15th, 2022 at 12:29pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 14th, 2022 at 12:30pm:
waggawoody wrote on Sep 13th, 2022 at 10:39pm:
Ooops… this interview definitely didn’t go as planned

https://twitter.com/goodfoodgal/status/1568173044828631041


"They're on a gravy train for heaven's sake.....".

cf the gravy train of the fossil industry price-gougers?

I'll go with transitioning to nationalized electricity generation via free sun and wind, as far as possible, and love  the cheaper electricity.

There are enough sunny deserts near mountain ranges (for solar + pumped hydro storage) all around the world, to power the global economy for free (funded by central bank money creation).


And apart from the issue of price-gouging by fossil companies, there is the issue of health: fossil combustion causes millions of deaths around the globe anually.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/fossil-fuels-pollution-death...

'Invisible killer': fossil fuels caused 8.7m deaths globally in 2018, research finds

and latest research shows particulates cause inflammation of the lung tissue, which might be associated with a cause of cancers in high density urban  areas.

So, fossils are harmful....and obsolete, since we have the technology to replace them, as outlined above.

A of CO2-ir pollution is not CO2, cleavage.


The point is, we have to close the fossil industry, regardless of CO2-AGW, for human health reasons. 

As for CO2:

https://wakelet.com/wake/81w8zN6naBnE4Na3PFfen

Historical Evidence of Climate Change Warnings
Collection of historical warnings about man-made climate change. We knew. We chose to ignore.
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Re: The Climate Change Cult will not like this
Reply #16 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 3:03pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 2:36pm:
Historical Evidence of Climate Change Warnings
Collection of historical warnings about man-made climate change. We knew. We chose to ignore.



Failed predictions -

“All the glaciers in Eastern Greenland are rapidly melting,” the Harrisburg [Pennsylvania] Sunday Courier reported on Dec. 17, 1939.

“The possibility of a prodigious rise in the surface of the ocean with resultant widespread inundation, arising from an Arctic climate phenomenon was discussed yesterday by Dr. Hans Ahlmann, a noted Swedish geophysicist at the University of California Geophysical Institute,” a 1947 article in The West Australian said.

“It is already too late for the world to avoid a long period of famine,” The Salt Lake Tribune reported in 1967, citing Paul Ehrlich’s prediction of famines by 1975.

“Scientist predicts a new ice age by 21st century,” The Boston Globe reported on Apr. 16, 1970, saying that pollution expert James Lodge predicted that “air pollution may obliterate the sun and cause a new ice age in the first third of the new century.”

“A senior environmental official at the United Nations, Noel Brown, says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000,” California’s San Jose Mercury News reported on June 30, 1989. “Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos, said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program.”

The first to disappear were to be the island nations teetering just a few feet above the ocean level.

The small nation of Maldives was threatened to be completely covered by “a gradual rise in average sea level” in 30 years, Agence France-Presse reported in 1988, noting that “the end of the Maldives and its people could come sooner if drinking water supplies dry up by 1992, as predicted.”

Yet the Greenland Climate Research Centre reported plenty of ice in the Arctic in August 2019.

1990 IPCC FAR: “Under the IPCC ‘Business as Usual’ emissions of greenhouse gases the average rate of increase of global mean temperature during the next century is estimated to be 0.3°C per decade (with an uncertainty range of 0.2°C – 0.5°C).”

1990 IPCC FAR: “Under the IPCC ‘Business as Usual’ emissions of greenhouse gases … this will result in a likely increase in global mean temperature of about 1°C above the present value by 2025.”

2001 IPCC TAR (AR3) predicts that milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms

2000 Dr. David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, predicts that within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”

2004 Adam Watson, from the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology in Banchory, Aberdeenshire, said the Scottish skiing industry had no more than 20 years left.

2007 IPCC AR4 predicts that by 2020, between 75 and 250 million of people are projected to be exposed to increased water stress due to climate change. In some countries, yields from rain-fed agriculture could be reduced by up to 50%.

2010 Dr. Morris Bender, from NOAA, and coauthors predict that “the U.S. Southeast and the Bahamas will be pounded by more very intense hurricanes in the coming decades due to global warming.” They say the strongest hurricanes may double in frequency.

2001 IPCC TAR (AR3) said that fire frequency is expected to increase with human-induced climate change, and that several authors suggest that climate change is likely to increase the number of days with severe burning conditions, prolong the fire season, and increase lightning activity, all of which lead to probable increases in fire frequency and areas burned.

2007 Dr. Felix Landerer of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, Germany, published a study predicting that Global warming will make Earth spin faster.

2015 Dr. Jerry Mitrovica, professor of geophysics at Harvard University finds out that days are getting longer as the Earth spins slower, and blames climate change

2007 Prof. Wieslaw Maslowski from Dept. Oceanography of the US Navy predicted an ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer 2013, and said the prediction was conservative.

2007 NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally predicted that the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer in 2012.

2008 University of Manitoba Prof. David Barber predicted an ice-free North Pole for the first time in history in 2008,

2012 Prof. Peter Wadhams, head of the polar ocean physics group at the University of Cambridge (UK), predicted a collapse of the Arctic ice sheet by 2015-2016

2005 The 40 members of the Polar Bear Specialist Group (PBSG) of the World Conservation Union decided to classify the polar bear as “vulnerable” based on a predicted 30 percent decline in their worldwide population over the next 35 to 50 years. The principal cause of this decline is stated to be climatic warming and its negative effects on the sea ice habitat.

2010 Science: Fake polar bear picture chosen to illustrate a letter to Science about scientific integrity on climate change.

https://pitchstonewaters.com/dozens-of-failed-climate-predictions-stretch-80-yea...

https://climateilluminated.com/predictions/List_Failed_Predictions.html
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Reply #17 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 3:51pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 3:03pm:
2007 Prof. Wieslaw Maslowski from Dept. Oceanography of the US Navy predicted an ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer 2013, and said the prediction was conservative.


Yet the North West/East  passage is more accessible than last century.

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2007 NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally predicted that the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer in 2012.


it is happening....

so we have to close the fossil  industry , whether on climate or health terms, likely both. 



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Reply #18 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 4:02pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 3:51pm:
Yet the North West/East  passage is more accessible than last century.



And before that? Wink

They still use ice breakers to get through. Didn't have them in Amundsen's day. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 3:51pm:
it is happening....



It was supposed to have happened 10 years ago. Roll Eyes
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Re: The Climate Change Cult will not like this
Reply #19 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 4:13pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 4:02pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 3:51pm:
Yet the North West/East  passage is more accessible than last century.



And before that? Wink

They still use ice breakers to get through. Didn't have them in Amundsen's day. Wink


China and Russia are preparing plans for more frequent shipping in the Artic; they must be onto something.....

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 3:51pm:
it is happening....



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It was supposed to have happened 10 years ago. Roll Eyes


yet is IS happening....
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Reply #20 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 4:30pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 4:13pm:
China and Russia are preparing plans for more frequent shipping in the Artic; they must be onto something.....



And still using ice breakers. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 4:13pm:
yet is IS happening....


Is it? But it was supposed to have happened past tense not future or present.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/snow-and-ice-extent/sea-ice/N/8

Damn that must be disappointing for you.  BTW- 2012 was because of a cyclone, not AGW. Wink
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Re: The Climate Change Cult will not like this
Reply #21 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 5:18pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 2:36pm:
The point is, we have to close the fossil industry, regardless of CO2-AGW, for human health reasons. 

As for CO2:

https://wakelet.com/wake/81w8zN6naBnE4Na3PFfen

Historical Evidence of Climate Change Warnings
Collection of historical warnings about man-made climate change. We knew. We chose to ignore.



Nonsense. (And the hoof is showing).  Air pollution- huge problem in glorious one party CCP land  and the rest of the third world - is a completely different issue to CO2 induced AGW, or whatever it's called now.  Atmospheric CO2 is a trace gas and  has no health effect - other than it's great for plants. Air pollution, significantly reduced in the developing world, has nothing to do with CO2.


The only reason to find alternatives to fossil fuels is that they are finite.
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Reply #22 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 6:06pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 4:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 4:13pm:
China and Russia are preparing plans for more frequent shipping in the Artic; they must be onto something.....



And still using ice breakers. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 4:13pm:
yet is IS happening....


Is it? But it was supposed to have happened past tense not future or present.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/snow-and-ice-extent/sea-ice/N/8

Damn that must be disappointing for you.  BTW- 2012 was because of a cyclone, not AGW. Wink


No. I actually keep abreast of national and international affairs, the transition to clean green is unstoppable.
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Reply #23 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 6:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 5:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 2:36pm:
The point is, we have to close the fossil industry, regardless of CO2-AGW, for human health reasons. 

As for CO2:

https://wakelet.com/wake/81w8zN6naBnE4Na3PFfen

Historical Evidence of Climate Change Warnings
Collection of historical warnings about man-made climate change. We knew. We chose to ignore.



Nonsense. (And the hoof is showing).  Air pollution- huge problem in glorious one party CCP land  and the rest of the third world -


and in downtown LA and London, Paris etc, where ICEs are being phased out for health reasons.

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is a completely different issue to CO2 induced AGW, or whatever it's called now. 


Of course,  everyone knows that, so we have 2 issues: health in urban areas, and CO2-AGW causing climate catastrophes ...the latter disputed by some deniers, but the former is accepted by all, which is why ICE vehicles  are soon to be banned in built-up areas.   

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The only reason to find alternatives to fossil fuels is that they are finite.


Wrong: 4 reasons - fossil fuel price gouging, finite supply, health in urban areas, and possible AGW climate change.   

Btw I read an article today from a Chinese scientist who claimed power from nuclear fusion will be available by 2035. The future looks good - free global energy, provided neoliberal market ideologues can be relegated to the dustbin of history. 
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Re: The Climate Change Cult will not like this
Reply #24 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 6:25pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 6:06pm:
No. I actually keep abreast of national and international affairs, the transition to clean green is unstoppable.



That must be why the NH is backing away. They have plenty of unreliables  but need more coal and gas.

"UK Prime Minister Liz Truss lifts ban on fracking, approves more oil drilling in moves to boost energy supplies"

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-prime-minister-liz-truss-lifts...

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/29/1011201118/despite-climate-concerns-germany-bulld...

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Reply #25 - Sep 16th, 2022 at 6:27pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2022 at 6:22pm:
Btw I read an article today from a Chinese scientist who claimed power from nuclear fusion will be available by 2035. The future looks good - free global energy, provided neoliberal market ideologues can be relegated to the dustbin of history. 



And no word on unreliables. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #26 - Sep 17th, 2022 at 8:58am
 
An international study of major weather and extreme events has found no evidence of a “climate emergency” in the record to date.



The study by Italian scientists provides a long-term analysis of heat, drought, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes and ecosystem productivity and finds no clear positive trend of extreme events.

The authors do not say that no action should be taken on climate change but argue the issue should be placed in a bigger context.

“Fearing a climate emergency without this being supported by data, means altering the framework of priorities with negative ­effects that could prove deleterious to our ability to face the challenges of the future, squandering natural and human resources in an economically difficult context,” the report, published in European Physical Journal Plus, said.

The paper – “A critical assessment of extreme events trends in times of global warming” – found the most robust global changes in climate extremes are found in yearly values of heatwaves, but it said global trends in heatwave ­intensity were “not significant”.

Daily rainfall intensity and ­extreme precipitation frequency were stationary.

Tropical cyclones show a “substantial temporal invariance”, as do tornadoes.

The impact of warming on surface and wind speed remained unclear.


“In conclusion, on the basis of observational data, the climate crisis that, according to many sources, we are experiencing today, is not evident yet.”

On floods, the report said: ­“Although evidence of an increase in total annual precipitation is ­observed on a global level, corresponding evidence for increases in flooding remains elusive and a long list of studies shows little or no evidence of increased flood magnitudes, with some studies finding more evidence of decreases than increases.”

The paper said there was “no evidence that the areas affected by the different types of drought are increasing”.

In conclusion, the findings do not mean we should do nothing about climate change. “We should work to minimise our impact on the planet and to minimise air and water pollution,” the authors said.

“Whether or not we manage to drastically curtail our carbon dioxide emissions in the coming decades, we need to reduce our vulnerability to extreme weather and climate events.

“How the climate of the twenty-first century will play out is a topic of deep uncertainty. We need to increase our resiliency to whatever the future climate will present us.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/science/international-study-finds-no-evidence-in-records-of-climate-emergency/news-story/e8191a390a6c76176d5c2d8f23555fa0

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Reply #27 - Sep 17th, 2022 at 4:16pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 14th, 2022 at 12:12pm:
Marla wrote on Sep 14th, 2022 at 5:39am:
Well, it's from Shitter...so it must be real


Poor Marla doesn't believe astrophysicists. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin.


Of course not.

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Piers Richard Corbyn (born 10 March 1947)[1] is an English weather forecaster, businessman, anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist.[n 1]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn

I would have thought that was self explanatory, dear. Corbyn is wheeled out by the media whenever they need a bit of spice. He is guaranteed to generate complaints and clicks.

Here he's saying the Russian bushfires weren't caused by global warming. No?

Oh no, somebody probably dropped a cigarette butt or something, it happens all the time.

Oh. So how about the floods?

Well, it's been raining on planet earth for millions of years. Ask any astrophysicist and they'll tell you- it happens all the time.

I see. How about heat? It has been rather hot lately.

All predicted, as per the season. We've had four seasons in this hemisphere since the last great ice age. This one's called Summer. It gets hot, you see, but it'll get colder again, you'll see.

Right. Well, we've got a few minutes left, how about covid? Any ideas?

All lies. Covid doesn't exist.

No?

No. The government invented it to shut down the economy, vax everybody and hand out lots of money.

I see.

Ask Bill Gates and George Soros. They plan to vaccinate the population and take over the world. Cunning, no?

Of course poor Marla doesn't believe in astrophysicists.

You?
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Reply #28 - Sep 17th, 2022 at 4:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2022 at 9:38am:
During the winter and spring of 2013/2014, Britain suffered a prolonged period of destructive winter storms, resulting in widespread flooding and damage. However this was not the first time that the country had been devastated by heavy periods of rain and bad weather.

/en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_floods_in_Europe[/url]



Just so. You see? Rain. If the Pakis can't manage their weather, they should call in someone who can.

Maybe they should ask Mother back. Colonialism ended far too soon, no?
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Reply #29 - Sep 17th, 2022 at 4:38pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Sep 15th, 2022 at 1:42pm:
It is shattering to the Climate Cultists when their false religion is exposed. The interviewer in the OP was outraged and the cutists on this forum are behaving the same. Grin


Just so. Just look at what an average 1⁰ degree rise has already done. No one's calling the recent flood and bushfire survivors cultists - or their insurance companies. We want to help, dear. That's the Australian way.

A 2⁰ rise will fundamentally change the planet's ecosystems. The melting of glaciers alone will destroy major river systems. As we've already seen, however, the fires, floods and droughts will be worse than they ever were, we have already seen it. We may be the last generation left to be relatively untouched by climate change.

We'll hit 2⁰ some time this century. The world then will be a totally different place.

Pointless to be outraged, but at least we now have politicians in power who are prepared to take some action. Xi, Modi and Putin are going to need some persuading too.

You?
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