Frank wrote on May 19^th, 2025 at 11:21am:


Funny how you don't like a mirror being held up to you.

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You're all over the shop.

Not only are you misrepresenting what I actually said, you're now rambling about third-world migration, something I never even brought up.

If we're going to have a conversation worth taking seriously, you'll need to demonstrate you're capable of engaging in good faith, especially after trotting out sweeping "trust me bro" claims that simply don’t hold up against reality, at least not when we’re talking about overall immigration policy.

So, before we go any further, since you’ve inserted yourself again into a discussion no one invited you into, can you do two very basic things? What I assume are simple asks. First, let’s start with this...

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 19^th, 2025 at 10:35am:


Can we at least agree on that?  Start on some common ground?

And should we delve deeper into the numbers, what sources will you accept without trying to dismiss them with one of your catch phrases, since you've already said experts mean nothing to you?

Productivity commission data and reports, ABS, Treasury, raw GDP stats?  What?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 19^th, 2025 at 12:31pm:


You're welcome to point out where I've been bogus or shouty, rather than just attacking me and ignore the substance of anything I've said champ.

If you can.

The vast majority of Australians oppose mass immigration - it's got nothing to do with immigrants personally - that's just the way your mob try so desperately to get out of actually discussing the issues.  You do it with every issue - someone says they can't approve of chopping off kid's balls or ties - you say they hate trannies... nobody ever said or felt any such thing.

Cowardice, and far queue.

We, The People - WILL have our way!

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 19^th, 2025 at 10:35am:


No, we can't, gaseous, hissing little teapot. You make up bogus, shouty bollocks with every hyperbolic, over-exited sentence. Lets agree on THAT.

I cheerled no immigration policy from either of the Uniparty.

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2025 at 10:43pm:


At the same time - the Governments are discouraging people from building investment housing..

Its like its “DELIBERATE”

Albozo labor and the Greens are turning Australia into a Hellhole…

D E L I B E R A T E L Y ……

Get it?

Frank wrote on May 19^th, 2025 at 10:47pm:


I never said it was immigration policy. In fact, I very clearly pointed to a range of other contributing factors. But it seems some of you are so rattled by basic truths that your already-fragile comprehension skills have buckled under the weight.

We can go over it again, though I fear your blood pressure may not survive the ordeal, judging by your previous meltdowns.

Let’s try a different tack.

Surely we can at least agree that our current economic model is built on the assumption of perpetual growth. Yes? Good.

Now, why is that?

I’ve argued that it’s the result of decades of deregulation, offshoring our manufacturing base, and prioritising profit over public service through rampant privatisation, all policies enthusiastically backed by the very people now throwing tantrums.

If you disagree, fine. Propose a counter-explanation. But do try to avoid the tired fallback of personal insults just because the mirror I’m holding up makes you uncomfortable.

Meanwhile, housing is now so ludicrously unaffordable, and cost-of-living pressures so severe, that birth rates are falling. So, like it or not, we need migration just to maintain the population baseline, let alone grow the economy.

Every time you’ve thrown your support behind the Coalition, cheering on Abbott and Turnbull over Shorten, you’ve helped entrench the very pressures that make it harder for younger generations to start families.

Those who need help, you call bludgers or those like Scoot take it a step further with the talk of bootstraps.

These are not difficult concepts. Unless, of course, you're too invested in avoiding the reality that your political preferences helped create the economic conditions now driving high migration levels.

So either make a serious attempt to refute that with an actual argument, or kindly stop projecting your cognitive dissonance through juvenile name-calling.

Frankly, I’m sick of the white flags disguised as rage. This feels less like a debate and more like trying to play a board game with a child who flips the table the moment they're losing.

You're wasting your breath Sad. .. they will never admit they are partly to blame. That years of voting for policies like defunding tafe, chasing Free trade agreements no matter the cost, removing industry subsidies, refusing to make changes to Neg Gearing or Cap Gains Tax have all lead to the situation now where we rely on immigration and imports to fill gaps. They made their bed ... now they can sleep in it and if that means they share a bed with immigrants, then i say tough shit to them.

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 20^th, 2025 at 10:08am:



I am not in favour of reducing vocational training, never have been. There is a huge amount of snobbery in Australia about degrees versus trades which doesnt exist so markedly, if at all, in Scandinavia and northern Europe.  I have been against Gillard's latte lefty uncapped university funding, channeling young people into useless undergraduate courses regardless of academic ability. So if the Lib side of the Uniparty buggered vocational education by cutting funding, the Labor side of the Uniparty buggered higher education by expanding it to thickos. (Generally speaking, Labor's school curricula pave the way for overall degradation of education)


There is no economic reason for massive immigration into developed countries, no matter the source countries.  In addition, sourcing huge number of immigrants from culturally distant or incompatible countries ADDS cultural and social burdens. Policies opposing assimilation - ie multiculturalism - just exacerbates the social problems of fragmentation, ghettoisation, friction and division.