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Reply #2115 - May 18th, 2025 at 8:36pm
 
do you have something in your eyes? Or are you arguing that it has to be all in and we either open completely, or we close the economy off to the rest of the world totally? No middle ground?
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Reply #2116 - May 18th, 2025 at 8:42pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:36pm:
do you have something in your eyes? Or are you arguing that it has to be all in and we either open completely, or we close the economy off to the rest of the world totally? No middle ground?


Should public assets be privatised? Labor started it, Libs continued it. It's not a right wing thing unless Labor are right wing. It's there for all to see, stop being a fan boi and acknowledge the historical facts. I've never voted Lib but I do not pretend they are alone in selling Australia out. And I did vote Labor 1 in 1983.

Edit: This is why people, including myself, see them as two sides of the same coin and why I never vote 1 for either of them. Both parties have sold Au out.
Never could understand how our Govts could say Govt should not own public assets but were happy to sell them to foreign Govts to own.
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Reply #2117 - May 18th, 2025 at 8:55pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:36pm:
do you have something in your eyes? Or are you arguing that it has to be all in and we either open completely, or we close the economy off to the rest of the world totally? No middle ground?


Should public assets be privatised? Labor started it, Libs continued it. It's not a right wing thing unless Labor are right wing. It's there for all to see, stop being a fan boi and acknowledge the historical facts. I've never voted Lib but I do not pretend they are alone in selling Australia out. And I did vote Labor 1 in 1983.


I don't have a problem with selling non essential assets like Quantas. Essential assets like electricity or telephone/internet are another matter and should remain in govt hands. Sure labor sold some assets and no one ever said they didn't. But labor has always been divided over privatisation, and the sale of asserts has been more pragmatic than ideology. With the libs on the other hand it's all ideology. They think everything should be privatised

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Reply #2118 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:00pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:55pm:
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:36pm:
do you have something in your eyes? Or are you arguing that it has to be all in and we either open completely, or we close the economy off to the rest of the world totally? No middle ground?


Should public assets be privatised? Labor started it, Libs continued it. It's not a right wing thing unless Labor are right wing. It's there for all to see, stop being a fan boi and acknowledge the historical facts. I've never voted Lib but I do not pretend they are alone in selling Australia out. And I did vote Labor 1 in 1983.


I don't have a problem with selling non essential assets like Quantas. Essential assets like electricity or telephone/internet are another matter and should remain in govt hands. Sure labor sold some assets and no one ever said they didn't. But labor has always been divided over privatisation, and the sale of asserts has been more pragmatic than ideology. With the libs on the other hand it's all ideology. They think everything should be privatised



Yet they still use tax payer money to prop Qantas up as a private entity... Go figure. Both parties have sold Au down the river. It's not a right wing thing unless Labor are right wing. Accept the reality.
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Reply #2119 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:06pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:00pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:55pm:
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:36pm:
do you have something in your eyes? Or are you arguing that it has to be all in and we either open completely, or we close the economy off to the rest of the world totally? No middle ground?


Should public assets be privatised? Labor started it, Libs continued it. It's not a right wing thing unless Labor are right wing. It's there for all to see, stop being a fan boi and acknowledge the historical facts. I've never voted Lib but I do not pretend they are alone in selling Australia out. And I did vote Labor 1 in 1983.


I don't have a problem with selling non essential assets like Quantas. Essential assets like electricity or telephone/internet are another matter and should remain in govt hands. Sure labor sold some assets and no one ever said they didn't. But labor has always been divided over privatisation, and the sale of asserts has been more pragmatic than ideology. With the libs on the other hand it's all ideology. They think everything should be privatised



Yet they still use tax payer money to prop Qantas up as a private entity... Go figure. Both parties have sold Au down the river. It's not a right wing thing unless Labor are right wing. Accept the reality.


I don't think anyone sold us out. Neither liberal nor labor. Sure, some individuals, on both sides, maybe, but not the party's as a whole. Nor do I think immigration is that big an issue. As much as I might disagree with much of the liberal partys methodology, they do what they believe is best for the country. You've been smoking to much weed if you think any party sold us out.
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Reply #2120 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:07pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:00pm:
Yet they still use tax payer money to prop Qantas up as a private entity.


not that different to giving millions in subsidies to the likes of clive and gina
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Reply #2121 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:13pm
 
Labor IS right wing - they have become Stalinists - and Stalin was Russia's Greatest Tsar and the absolute worst diktator of all time, far out-stripping the Nazis for murdering his own people - suffering under the delusion that here in Australia they can just do as they choose... it all started with the 'feminists' - natural Stalinists all...  but you all know that even when you deny it.... how else did every Far Ken whiner learn how to whinge and get?  And then some think they can build a 'cause' for something simply atrocious - like cutting off balls and tits of kids....

The Madness ..... the Madness.......................

Labor had best wake up before the Revolution begins in earnest - to combat their childish support for the 'Intifada' promised for our refusal of the 'voice', and all the other rot they've gone on with.

e.g. - Albo?  Got your hearing aids in?  You sheilas have finally got over 50% - are you Phar Ken satisfied now - or do we have to overthrow their silliness and petty tyranny for you?

Bonus question:-  What in Dog's name would cause a nation to push women to the top?  Some petty sense of grievance over being handed the vote by the men at the first opportunity or something?  Like everything else - they never 'fought' for it - it was just another handout!

Now the Abos are on to it, the poofs, the gender-blenders, the Gypoes ... all up for a good whinge and get.... FFS ...

What about that Arab oil sheik's daughter copping affirmative action when she cops a job in the public service working in Immigration... FFS - why do you imagine we are getting all these Hostiles let in?  Their mates have had the jobs 'clearing' people to 'immigrate' kicked back to them for decades now - and WTF do you think they select or pays them enough baksheesh to get in?!!
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Reply #2122 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:14pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:07pm:
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:00pm:
Yet they still use tax payer money to prop Qantas up as a private entity.


not that different to giving millions in subsidies to the likes of clive and gina


OK, so what do you think about Sadmans 12yo girl on the dirts rant?
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Reply #2123 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:43pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:14pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:07pm:
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:00pm:
Yet they still use tax payer money to prop Qantas up as a private entity.


not that different to giving millions in subsidies to the likes of clive and gina


OK, so what do you think about Sadmans 12yo girl on the dirts rant?


i think he makes a good point. You need to stop blaming immigrants. A fact that you missed completely because you were so busy trying to be clever thinking up a childish insult
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Reply #2124 - May 18th, 2025 at 10:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:43pm:
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:14pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:07pm:
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:00pm:
Yet they still use tax payer money to prop Qantas up as a private entity.


not that different to giving millions in subsidies to the likes of clive and gina


OK, so what do you think about Sadmans 12yo girl on the dirts rant?


i think he makes a good point. You need to stop blaming immigrants. A fact that you missed completely because you were so busy trying to be clever thinking up a childish insult


Childish insults that he himself uses? I didn't make it up, just throwing it back with a cherry on top. I didn't see you chide him. I've never blamed immigrants, I do blame our immigration policy, our governments. There is a difference. Can you see it?
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Reply #2125 - May 19th, 2025 at 12:38am
 
I'm afraid Kanga is losing the marbles - and showing hir age... good for a laugh though.

Nobody could actually believe all that garbage.

Why has this psychiatric breakdown occurred at the same time as strutting out a proud kangaroo - apparently to applaud Labor's 'win' by default and preferences ...... while only garnering 34.5% of the vote ..... hardly a mandate - best they leave that for their Oxford Street Tours... and instead of looking positively at ways to help the country and its people - hshe has gone off the rails!!

Next thing you know the Sacka Kanga will be throwing hir granny on the street! 

Something badly wrong with the minds of the young these days - I blame the feminists and their Uberkontrol of the schools these days - with all their rat-baggery and Angela Merkin BS... Oh - that efnick with the knife?  We'll just mother him a little - he'll fit right in
... (at Goulburn one day)
... now don't forget your homework on the Aboriginal Golden Age...now who knows about Pascoe's grass seed Johnny cakes?  Now, Bluebottle - don't you go saying that grass is indigestible by humans ... and that those 'best cakes those explorers ever ate' were only good for filling the hollow space and had no nutrition.
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Reply #2126 - May 19th, 2025 at 10:35am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 12:38am:
I'm afraid Kanga is losing the marbles - and showing hir age... good for a laugh though.

Nobody could actually believe all that garbage.

Why has this psychiatric breakdown occurred at the same time as strutting out a proud kangaroo - apparently to applaud Labor's 'win' by default and preferences ...... while only garnering 34.5% of the vote ..... hardly a mandate - best they leave that for their Oxford Street Tours... and instead of looking positively at ways to help the country and its people - hshe has gone off the rails!!

Next thing you know the Sacka Kanga will be throwing hir granny on the street! 

Something badly wrong with the minds of the young these days - I blame the feminists and their Uberkontrol of the schools these days - with all their rat-baggery and Angela Merkin BS... Oh - that efnick with the knife?  We'll just mother him a little - he'll fit right in
... (at Goulburn one day)
... now don't forget your homework on the Aboriginal Golden Age...now who knows about Pascoe's grass seed Johnny cakes?  Now, Bluebottle - don't you go saying that grass is indigestible by humans ... and that those 'best cakes those explorers ever ate' were only good for filling the hollow space and had no nutrition.


All you've done is throw a tantrum in response to my comments, rather than address them directly or attempt a coherent rebuttal. You’ve gone on multi-post tirades attacking me, my mental state, my character, while sidestepping the content entirely.

If I’m so catastrophically wrong, it should be child’s play to demonstrate exactly where and how. Yet you haven’t. You can’t. And your reaction only reinforces the suspicion that what I’ve said strikes a little too close to the bone.

You’re behaving as though what I’ve pointed out is broadly correct, but because it’s politically inconvenient or personally confronting, you’ve opted for the usual dummy spit rather than engage on substance.

Here’s the hard truth, if you're unwilling to grapple with reality, you’re part of the reason things won’t get better. You’ll keep being lied to, manipulated into voting for policies that entrench decline, and gaslit into believing you’re doing the "right thing" while everything around you erodes.

But let’s try to find some common ground. Even if you refuse to accept any responsibility for the consequences of the policies you’ve cheerled, surely you can acknowledge this: we can’t just pull the plug on immigration without crashing the economy, given how dependent it’s become on constant inflows of people.

Australia’s fertility rate has hovered around or below 1.6 for decades. We need a TFR of 2.1 just to replace ourselves, let alone grow the population in line with the demands of our GDP-obsessed economic model.

So here’s the question, can we at least agree on that? That without immigration, the entire system starts to buckle? Or are we going to pretend the maths doesn’t matter because it’s inconvenient?
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Reply #2127 - May 19th, 2025 at 11:05am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 10:35am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 12:38am:
I'm afraid Kanga is losing the marbles - and showing hir age... good for a laugh though.

Nobody could actually believe all that garbage.

Why has this psychiatric breakdown occurred at the same time as strutting out a proud kangaroo - apparently to applaud Labor's 'win' by default and preferences ...... while only garnering 34.5% of the vote ..... hardly a mandate - best they leave that for their Oxford Street Tours... and instead of looking positively at ways to help the country and its people - hshe has gone off the rails!!

Next thing you know the Sacka Kanga will be throwing hir granny on the street! 

Something badly wrong with the minds of the young these days - I blame the feminists and their Uberkontrol of the schools these days - with all their rat-baggery and Angela Merkin BS... Oh - that efnick with the knife?  We'll just mother him a little - he'll fit right in
... (at Goulburn one day)
... now don't forget your homework on the Aboriginal Golden Age...now who knows about Pascoe's grass seed Johnny cakes?  Now, Bluebottle - don't you go saying that grass is indigestible by humans ... and that those 'best cakes those explorers ever ate' were only good for filling the hollow space and had no nutrition.


All you've done is throw a tantrum in response to my comments, rather than address them directly or attempt a coherent rebuttal. You’ve gone on multi-post tirades attacking me, my mental state, my character, while sidestepping the content entirely.

If I’m so catastrophically wrong, it should be child’s play to demonstrate exactly where and how. Yet you haven’t. You can’t. And your reaction only reinforces the suspicion that what I’ve said strikes a little too close to the bone.

You’re behaving as though what I’ve pointed out is broadly correct, but because it’s politically inconvenient or personally confronting, you’ve opted for the usual dummy spit rather than engage on substance.

Here’s the hard truth, if you're unwilling to grapple with reality, you’re part of the reason things won’t get better. You’ll keep being lied to, manipulated into voting for policies that entrench decline, and gaslit into believing you’re doing the "right thing" while everything around you erodes.

But let’s try to find some common ground. Even if you refuse to accept any responsibility for the consequences of the policies you’ve cheerled, surely you can acknowledge this: we can’t just pull the plug on immigration without crashing the economy, given how dependent it’s become on constant inflows of people.

Australia’s fertility rate has hovered around or below 1.6 for decades. We need a TFR of 2.1 just to replace ourselves, let alone grow the population in line with the demands of our GDP-obsessed economic model.

So here’s the question, can we at least agree on that? That without immigration, the entire system starts to buckle? Or are we going to pretend the maths doesn’t matter because it’s inconvenient?

Rubbish.

Western countries have consistently voted for reduced immigration for years but the main sides of politics - the Uniparty - resisted. Hence the rise of AfD, Le Pen, Farage, Wilders, Orban, Meloni, Trump etc.

No advanced country needs mass third world immigration. The ecomomic argument is bogus and is buttressed by constant shouting of wacism if it is ever challenged. You are a shining example of that shouty nonsense.

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Reply #2128 - May 19th, 2025 at 11:18am
 
Frank wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 11:05am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 10:35am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 12:38am:
I'm afraid Kanga is losing the marbles - and showing hir age... good for a laugh though.

Nobody could actually believe all that garbage.

Why has this psychiatric breakdown occurred at the same time as strutting out a proud kangaroo - apparently to applaud Labor's 'win' by default and preferences ...... while only garnering 34.5% of the vote ..... hardly a mandate - best they leave that for their Oxford Street Tours... and instead of looking positively at ways to help the country and its people - hshe has gone off the rails!!

Next thing you know the Sacka Kanga will be throwing hir granny on the street! 

Something badly wrong with the minds of the young these days - I blame the feminists and their Uberkontrol of the schools these days - with all their rat-baggery and Angela Merkin BS... Oh - that efnick with the knife?  We'll just mother him a little - he'll fit right in
... (at Goulburn one day)
... now don't forget your homework on the Aboriginal Golden Age...now who knows about Pascoe's grass seed Johnny cakes?  Now, Bluebottle - don't you go saying that grass is indigestible by humans ... and that those 'best cakes those explorers ever ate' were only good for filling the hollow space and had no nutrition.


All you've done is throw a tantrum in response to my comments, rather than address them directly or attempt a coherent rebuttal. You’ve gone on multi-post tirades attacking me, my mental state, my character, while sidestepping the content entirely.

If I’m so catastrophically wrong, it should be child’s play to demonstrate exactly where and how. Yet you haven’t. You can’t. And your reaction only reinforces the suspicion that what I’ve said strikes a little too close to the bone.

You’re behaving as though what I’ve pointed out is broadly correct, but because it’s politically inconvenient or personally confronting, you’ve opted for the usual dummy spit rather than engage on substance.

Here’s the hard truth, if you're unwilling to grapple with reality, you’re part of the reason things won’t get better. You’ll keep being lied to, manipulated into voting for policies that entrench decline, and gaslit into believing you’re doing the "right thing" while everything around you erodes.

But let’s try to find some common ground. Even if you refuse to accept any responsibility for the consequences of the policies you’ve cheerled, surely you can acknowledge this: we can’t just pull the plug on immigration without crashing the economy, given how dependent it’s become on constant inflows of people.

Australia’s fertility rate has hovered around or below 1.6 for decades. We need a TFR of 2.1 just to replace ourselves, let alone grow the population in line with the demands of our GDP-obsessed economic model.

So here’s the question, can we at least agree on that? That without immigration, the entire system starts to buckle? Or are we going to pretend the maths doesn’t matter because it’s inconvenient?

Rubbish.

Western countries have consistently voted for reduced immigration for years but the main sides of politics - the Uniparty - resisted. Hence the rise of AfD, Le Pen, Farage, Wilders, Orban, Meloni, Trump etc.

No advanced country needs mass third world immigration. The ecomomic argument is bogus and is buttressed by constant shouting of wacism if it is ever challenged. You are a shining example of that shouty nonsense.



Your argument is bogus, shouty nonsense.
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Reply #2129 - May 19th, 2025 at 11:21am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 11:18am:
Frank wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 11:05am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 10:35am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 12:38am:
I'm afraid Kanga is losing the marbles - and showing hir age... good for a laugh though.

Nobody could actually believe all that garbage.

Why has this psychiatric breakdown occurred at the same time as strutting out a proud kangaroo - apparently to applaud Labor's 'win' by default and preferences ...... while only garnering 34.5% of the vote ..... hardly a mandate - best they leave that for their Oxford Street Tours... and instead of looking positively at ways to help the country and its people - hshe has gone off the rails!!

Next thing you know the Sacka Kanga will be throwing hir granny on the street! 

Something badly wrong with the minds of the young these days - I blame the feminists and their Uberkontrol of the schools these days - with all their rat-baggery and Angela Merkin BS... Oh - that efnick with the knife?  We'll just mother him a little - he'll fit right in
... (at Goulburn one day)
... now don't forget your homework on the Aboriginal Golden Age...now who knows about Pascoe's grass seed Johnny cakes?  Now, Bluebottle - don't you go saying that grass is indigestible by humans ... and that those 'best cakes those explorers ever ate' were only good for filling the hollow space and had no nutrition.


All you've done is throw a tantrum in response to my comments, rather than address them directly or attempt a coherent rebuttal. You’ve gone on multi-post tirades attacking me, my mental state, my character, while sidestepping the content entirely.

If I’m so catastrophically wrong, it should be child’s play to demonstrate exactly where and how. Yet you haven’t. You can’t. And your reaction only reinforces the suspicion that what I’ve said strikes a little too close to the bone.

You’re behaving as though what I’ve pointed out is broadly correct, but because it’s politically inconvenient or personally confronting, you’ve opted for the usual dummy spit rather than engage on substance.

Here’s the hard truth, if you're unwilling to grapple with reality, you’re part of the reason things won’t get better. You’ll keep being lied to, manipulated into voting for policies that entrench decline, and gaslit into believing you’re doing the "right thing" while everything around you erodes.

But let’s try to find some common ground. Even if you refuse to accept any responsibility for the consequences of the policies you’ve cheerled, surely you can acknowledge this: we can’t just pull the plug on immigration without crashing the economy, given how dependent it’s become on constant inflows of people.

Australia’s fertility rate has hovered around or below 1.6 for decades. We need a TFR of 2.1 just to replace ourselves, let alone grow the population in line with the demands of our GDP-obsessed economic model.

So here’s the question, can we at least agree on that? That without immigration, the entire system starts to buckle? Or are we going to pretend the maths doesn’t matter because it’s inconvenient?

Rubbish.

Western countries have consistently voted for reduced immigration for years but the main sides of politics - the Uniparty - resisted. Hence the rise of AfD, Le Pen, Farage, Wilders, Orban, Meloni, Trump etc.

No advanced country needs mass third world immigration. The ecomomic argument is bogus and is buttressed by constant shouting of wacism if it is ever challenged. You are a shining example of that shouty nonsense.



Your argument is bogus, shouty nonsense.



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"All you've done is throw a tantrum in response to my comments, rather than address them directly or attempt a coherent rebuttal."


If the economic argument were valid we would see commensurate productivity increases with migration.
We do not. Large scale third world migrants are an economic drag, as well as a cultural and social  clamity. Multiculturalism, trying to paper over that calamity, is an idiotic con. Cultural diversity is cultural and social division. Multiculturalism is social and cultural incoherence and fragmentation.



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