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Reply #135 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:42am  
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:09am:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:23am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:09am:
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But university is (or should be) demanding. So to make is 'accessible' they dumbed most uni courses down to the level where you can enrol in a teaching degree with an ATAR of 36 (Federation Uni). Social Work (Disability) 45.  A third to half of these low ability students drop out after a year or two


Frank - those figures can't be right. 36?? 45?? Who would get such a ridiculously low ATAR in the first place?







They are not even the lowest. 
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But of course you didn't notice #108 immedialey prior, because your blind survival of the fittest ideology  makes you as blind as Frank. ....you aren't interested in solving the global refugee crisis, only in telling people to stay out of the country until they are asked.
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Reply #136 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:58am  
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:12am:
Thousands of "refugees" in England are housed in hotels at public expense. .


Why the quotation marks? The proxy war in Syria, and entrenched poverty and wars elsewhere creates refugees.

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Thousands more are coming constantlyFrom France Illegally. They are not French, fleeing the political terror of France or Italy or Spain.  No. They are like the illegal queue jumpers who were coming from Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, etc to Australia via corrupt Indonesia and Malaysia.


"Illegal queue jumpers" (note the quotation marks correctly applied) escaping a vicious global IMF debt-based financial system, enforced by the US in 1946 even though Keynes offered a new system which would have avoided the subsequent catastrophes. (See Keynes' proposed 'clearing union' concept).
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Reply #137 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:11pm  
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:31am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:04am:
Would you care to reword that and remove the spittle so it makes seense?

Who precisely are you claiming are signatories to the UN convention on refugees? And what is it that these countries have to offer refugees?

Why do you resent them coming here so much?

You must know by know it;s a tiny fraction of out immigration "budget" and almost all of them turn out to be bona fide refugees.

Too tinted for you, i expect. Coming from countries where colonialism ended to soon, eh old boy?

PNG, Timor Leste, Solomon Islands, Philippines - all signatories to the Refugee convention.
What they have to offer to refugees is a lot more than countries that are not signatories, like Indonesia, Malaysia.

It is not about resentment.

The 'tiny fraction' is a huge lie. In 2012 there were 17,000, in 2013 - 13,000.

Being undocumented, they were given the benefit of the doubt. Being undocumented, they cannot prove their bona fides by definition.


They were NEVER given the benefit of the doubt. They were grilled. You absolute liar.

And all this is a decade old?

How about now, Fruitbat?



The boats were stopped.
Now they are lying their way directly into the country and claim asylum after they promised that they only wanted to come to study or as tourists.



The monthly statistics reveal that over 30,000 people are still waiting for decisions. Even more people are still in the country awaiting deportation after a negative decision.
https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/asylum-community/5/


As at December 2022, a total of 70,564 failed asylum seekers remained in Australia. Of them, 38,919 were awaiting an appeal decision at AAT, while others (the number of which is unspecified) were awaiting a judicial review. Some (also an unspecified amount) were granted bridging visas, typically on the basis that they are required to depart Australia as soon as possible.

The number of failed asylum seekers remaining in Australia has steadily increased, as has the AAT backlog in hearing their appeals. In comparison with the recent figures, in December 2019 there were 46,356 failed asylum seekers in Australia, 25,098 of whom were engaged in the AAT process.
https://www.asyluminsight.com/when-a-claim-for-asylum-is-unsuccessful

There are a “record” 100,000 people who have sought asylum onshore who remain in Australia including 72,875 whose claims were refused who are yet to be deported.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/20/record-100000-people-seek...
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Reply #138 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:12pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:58am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:12am:
Thousands of "refugees" in England are housed in hotels at public expense. .


Why the quotation marks? The proxy war in Syria, and entrenched poverty and wars elsewhere creates refugees.

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Thousands more are coming constantlyFrom France Illegally. They are not French, fleeing the political terror of France or Italy or Spain.  No. They are like the illegal queue jumpers who were coming from Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, etc to Australia via corrupt Indonesia and Malaysia.


"Illegal queue jumpers" (note the quotation marks correctly applied) escaping a vicious global IMF debt-based financial system, enforced by the US in 1946 even though Keynes offered a new system which would have avoided the subsequent catastrophes. (See Keynes' proposed 'clearing union' concept).


Are they escaping from FRANCE????
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Re: Immigration
Reply #139 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:32pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:42am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:09am:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:23am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:09am:
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But university is (or should be) demanding. So to make is 'accessible' they dumbed most uni courses down to the level where you can enrol in a teaching degree with an ATAR of 36 (Federation Uni). Social Work (Disability) 45.  A third to half of these low ability students drop out after a year or two


Frank - those figures can't be right. 36?? 45?? Who would get such a ridiculously low ATAR in the first place?







They are not even the lowest. 
https://www.courseseeker.edu.au/courses



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But of course you didn't...


Neither did you.
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Re: Immigration
Reply #140 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:36pm  
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:12pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:58am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:12am:
Thousands of "refugees" in England are housed in hotels at public expense. .


Why the quotation marks? The proxy war in Syria, and entrenched poverty and wars elsewhere creates refugees.

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Thousands more are coming constantlyFrom France Illegally. They are not French, fleeing the political terror of France or Italy or Spain.  No. They are like the illegal queue jumpers who were coming from Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, etc to Australia via corrupt Indonesia and Malaysia.


"Illegal queue jumpers" (note the quotation marks correctly applied) escaping a vicious global IMF debt-based financial system, enforced by the US in 1946 even though Keynes offered a new system which would have avoided the subsequent catastrophes. (See Keynes' proposed 'clearing union' concept).


Are they escaping from FRANCE????



They’re probably escaping from the Eiffel Tower 😂🤣😆

Very soon we’ll be swamped with refugees from the Riviera! Or even Monaco!

The tosspottery demonstrated by NotSoGreat has reached PhD level 😂🤣😆
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Reply #141 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 11:03am  
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:12pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:58am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:12am:
Thousands of "refugees" in England are housed in hotels at public expense. .


Why the quotation marks? The proxy war in Syria, and entrenched poverty and wars elsewhere creates refugees.

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Thousands more are coming constantlyFrom France Illegally. They are not French, fleeing the political terror of France or Italy or Spain.  No. They are like the illegal queue jumpers who were coming from Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, etc to Australia via corrupt Indonesia and Malaysia.


"Illegal queue jumpers" (note the quotation marks correctly applied) escaping a vicious global IMF debt-based financial system, enforced by the US in 1946 even though Keynes offered a new system which would have avoided the subsequent catastrophes. (See Keynes' proposed 'clearing union' concept).


Are they escaping from FRANCE????


They are escaping from failed states, courtesy of your vicious global financial system.

As for France, it's already full, and the unemployment rate is double the UK's; simple calculation of one's chances points to the need to move further afield (across the Channel). 

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Reply #142 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 11:27am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 11:03am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:12pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:58am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:12am:
Thousands of "refugees" in England are housed in hotels at public expense. .


Why the quotation marks? The proxy war in Syria, and entrenched poverty and wars elsewhere creates refugees.

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Thousands more are coming constantlyFrom France Illegally. They are not French, fleeing the political terror of France or Italy or Spain.  No. They are like the illegal queue jumpers who were coming from Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, etc to Australia via corrupt Indonesia and Malaysia.


"Illegal queue jumpers" (note the quotation marks correctly applied) escaping a vicious global IMF debt-based financial system, enforced by the US in 1946 even though Keynes offered a new system which would have avoided the subsequent catastrophes. (See Keynes' proposed 'clearing union' concept).


Are they escaping from FRANCE????


They are escaping from failed states, courtesy of your vicious global financial system.

As for France, it's already full, and the unemployment rate is double the UK's; simple calculation of one's chances points to the need to move further afield (across the Channel). 



You are an idiot and don't  know what you are talking about. As usual.  You are now trying to normalise illegal third worlderslike you invading Europe and then illegally flooding into the UK - to work!  Cheesy You are out of your monomaniac little birdbarain, parrot.
They are not working in the UK, they are sitting in hotels, paid for by everyone's best friend the taxpayer,  complaining about slow wifi and not enough cash.
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Reply #143 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 12:24pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:58am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:12am:
Thousands of "refugees" in England are housed in hotels at public expense. .


Why the quotation marks? The proxy war in Syria, and entrenched poverty and wars elsewhere creates refugees.

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Thousands more are coming constantlyFrom France Illegally. They are not French, fleeing the political terror of France or Italy or Spain.  No. They are like the illegal queue jumpers who were coming from Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, etc to Australia via corrupt Indonesia and Malaysia.


"Illegal queue jumpers" (note the quotation marks correctly applied) escaping a vicious global IMF debt-based financial system, enforced by the US in 1946 even though Keynes offered a new system which would have avoided the subsequent catastrophes. (See Keynes' proposed 'clearing union' concept).


There's no queue to jump.
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Reply #144 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 12:58pm  
Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 11:27am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 11:03am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:12pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:58am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:12am:
Thousands of "refugees" in England are housed in hotels at public expense. .


Why the quotation marks? The proxy war in Syria, and entrenched poverty and wars elsewhere creates refugees.

Quote:
Thousands more are coming constantlyFrom France Illegally. They are not French, fleeing the political terror of France or Italy or Spain.  No. They are like the illegal queue jumpers who were coming from Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, etc to Australia via corrupt Indonesia and Malaysia.


"Illegal queue jumpers" (note the quotation marks correctly applied) escaping a vicious global IMF debt-based financial system, enforced by the US in 1946 even though Keynes offered a new system which would have avoided the subsequent catastrophes. (See Keynes' proposed 'clearing union' concept).


Are they escaping from FRANCE????


They are escaping from failed states, courtesy of your vicious global financial system.

As for France, it's already full, and the unemployment rate is double the UK's; simple calculation of one's chances points to the need to move further afield (across the Channel). 



You are an idiot and don't  know what you are talking about. As usual. 


So, having got that off your chest, let's see what you got....

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You are now trying to normalise illegal third worlderslike you invading Europe and then illegally flooding into the UK - to work! 


(Oh my god...the perils of debating blind conservative ideologues):

I am arguing against the global financial system which is creating failed states.

Got it? (cough...).

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Cheesy You are out of your monomaniac little birdbarain, parrot.


Actually, Julie Bishop made me smile in her NPC speech the other day, when she said (to a question about AUKUS)  "perhaps Doc Evatt was right: the veto should have been kept out of the UNSC...."

(She noted, as foreign minister,  she had an excellent friendly working relationship with her Chinese counterpart).

So you see, I'm at least a bi-maniac bird-brain... I accept your concession.

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They are not working in the UK, they are sitting in hotels, paid for by everyone's best friend the taxpayer,  complaining about slow wifi and not enough cash.
 

See how your blind ideology results in GIGO?

They would much rather be gainfully employed in their own countries. 
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Reply #145 - Jul 29th, 2023 at 5:45pm  
... must be placed on a moratorium immediately and the country stabilised, and then must be strictly controlled.  This madness to import millions of people and make them near instant citizens when they know nothing about the place is way out of control.

Once the country is stable again and its people once again have a fair chance of prospering through work, then we can consider how many and who we want.

Julie Bishop has always made me smile before I laugh.... another empty cypher.
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Reply #146 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 11:59am  
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 5:45pm:
... must be placed on a moratorium immediately and the country stabilised, and then must be strictly controlled.  This madness to import millions of people and make them near instant citizens when they know nothing about the place is way out of control.


Agreed. Meanwhile the world - driven by individual self-interest - is imploding around us.

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Once the country is stable again and its people once again have a fair chance of prospering through work, then we can consider how many and who we want.


A fair chance is impossible with the current RBA ideology: the least able are 'dole fodder',  just as the least decorated are 'cannon fodder', in war.   

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Julie Bishop has always made me smile before I laugh.... another empty cypher.


It seems she is quite the humanitarian humanist, these days.

Predatory  journalists were inviting her to say why we shoiuld go to war over Taiwan, but she cautioned against beating that drum. 
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Reply #147 - Jul 31st, 2023 at 9:46pm  
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:04am:
Coming from countries where colonialism ended to soon, eh old boy?



Precisely. It is not a new problem


He/Evelyn Waugh's Black Mischief is a great literary example of the minds of the too-soon-independent barbarians and the too-soon-releasing colonisers who lost their nerves and sight of their civilising task.

Listen to the first few minutes and see if you will not want to hear or read it all. It is hilarious and very, very good. Waugh was a master.
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Reply #148 - Jul 31st, 2023 at 9:52pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 29th, 2023 at 11:03am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:12pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:58am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:12am:
Thousands of "refugees" in England are housed in hotels at public expense. .


Why the quotation marks? The proxy war in Syria, and entrenched poverty and wars elsewhere creates refugees.

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Thousands more are coming constantlyFrom France Illegally. They are not French, fleeing the political terror of France or Italy or Spain.  No. They are like the illegal queue jumpers who were coming from Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, etc to Australia via corrupt Indonesia and Malaysia.


"Illegal queue jumpers" (note the quotation marks correctly applied) escaping a vicious global IMF debt-based financial system, enforced by the US in 1946 even though Keynes offered a new system which would have avoided the subsequent catastrophes. (See Keynes' proposed 'clearing union' concept).


Are they escaping from FRANCE????


They are escaping from failed states, courtesy of your vicious global financial system.

As for France, it's already full, and the unemployment rate is double the UK's; simple calculation of one's chances points to the need to move further afield (across the Channel). 



France (according to you NotSoGreatOrSane) ... is already full. Full of what exactly? French people ??
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Reply #149 - Aug 1st, 2023 at 12:02am  
Cultural enrichment in Oslo.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1685434974877646848

Making Norway vibrant by one African at a time.

...


Ireland needs this cultural vibrancy.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1685395788720140288


There is nothing sinister about Muslim immigrants. They just want to invade and replace you.

https://twitter.com/venkatesh_Ragu/status/1562275222157344769
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