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Reply #120 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:58am
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.


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Reply #121 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.


I'm sorry, what are you arguing here?

That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island.
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Re: Immigration
Reply #122 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:04am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:58am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:39am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:26am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:19am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:16am:
Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm:
Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.


Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...


None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.


Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.



Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years?

Indonesia is  not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection.

We are supposed to do better.  We promised to.

This is, of course, all lost on you.



So why fly there, on commercial flights? Because it is a Muslim country, corrupt like the rest of them, and complicit in the people smuggling business.


Mostly old boy, they don't fly there. An if they do, so what? It's a step away from death.

Cheesy Cheesy

Don't be an idiot. Of course they fly there. Do you think they drive from Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan to Labuhan, West Java and other Indonesian ports???

So what? So they are lying to the Indonesia (which is happy to take their bribes) and lying to Australia (which isn't).
So there is lying at the heart of the matter, from the get-go.


PNG, Solom Islands, Philipines, Timor Leste - just as far from the Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan as Indonesia, all signatories to the Refugee convention.
Why don't they make their ways to any of those countries?





Would you care to reword that and remove the spittle so it makes seense?

Who precisely are you claiming are signatories to the UN convention on refugees? And what is it that these countries have to offer refugees?

Why do you resent them coming here so much?

You must know by know it;s a tiny fraction of out immigration "budget" and almost all of them turn out to be bona fide refugees.

Too tinted for you, i expect. Coming from countries where colonialism ended to soon, eh old boy?
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Re: Immigration
Reply #123 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:05am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.


I'm sorry, what are you arguing here?

That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island.


Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.
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Re: Immigration
Reply #124 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:08am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:05am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.


I'm sorry, what are you arguing here?

That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island.


Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.



Of course. Because people fleeing for their lives are always on the look out for a good holiday deal.

I mean there's stupid and then ....
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Re: Immigration
Reply #125 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:11am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:05am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.


I'm sorry, what are you arguing here?

That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island.


Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.


In fact lots of Aussies fly over there for their holidays. A very popular place indeed. Very friendly too.
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Reply #126 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:14am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:11am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:05am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.


I'm sorry, what are you arguing here?

That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island.


Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.


In fact lots of Aussies fly over there for their holidays. A very popular place indeed. Very friendly too.


Does Indonesia allow refugees to settle there, Larry?

Is it a signatory to the Geneva Convention on refugees and asylum seekers, Larry?
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Reply #127 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:19am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm:
Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.


Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...


None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.


NotSoGreat is NotSoOnline today 😂🤣😆
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Reply #128 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:24am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:04am:
Would you care to reword that and remove the spittle so it makes seense?

Who precisely are you claiming are signatories to the UN convention on refugees? And what is it that these countries have to offer refugees?

Why do you resent them coming here so much?

You must know by know it;s a tiny fraction of out immigration "budget" and almost all of them turn out to be bona fide refugees.

Too tinted for you, i expect. Coming from countries where colonialism ended to soon, eh old boy?

PNG, Timor Leste, Solomon Islands, Philippines - all signatories to the Refugee convention.
What they have to offer to refugees is a lot more than countries that are not signatories, like Indonesia, Malaysia.

It is not about resentment.

The 'tiny fraction' is a huge lie. In 2012 there were 17,000, in 2013 - 13,000.

Being undocumented, they were given the benefit of the doubt. Being undocumented, they cannot prove their bona fides by definition.
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Reply #129 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:31am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:04am:
Would you care to reword that and remove the spittle so it makes seense?

Who precisely are you claiming are signatories to the UN convention on refugees? And what is it that these countries have to offer refugees?

Why do you resent them coming here so much?

You must know by know it;s a tiny fraction of out immigration "budget" and almost all of them turn out to be bona fide refugees.

Too tinted for you, i expect. Coming from countries where colonialism ended to soon, eh old boy?

PNG, Timor Leste, Solomon Islands, Philippines - all signatories to the Refugee convention.
What they have to offer to refugees is a lot more than countries that are not signatories, like Indonesia, Malaysia.

It is not about resentment.

The 'tiny fraction' is a huge lie. In 2012 there were 17,000, in 2013 - 13,000.

Being undocumented, they were given the benefit of the doubt. Being undocumented, they cannot prove their bona fides by definition.


They were NEVER given the benefit of the doubt. They were grilled. You absolute liar.

And all this is a decade old?

How about now, Fruitbat?


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Reply #130 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:37am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:04am:
Would you care to reword that and remove the spittle so it makes seense?

Who precisely are you claiming are signatories to the UN convention on refugees? And what is it that these countries have to offer refugees?

Why do you resent them coming here so much?

You must know by know it;s a tiny fraction of out immigration "budget" and almost all of them turn out to be bona fide refugees.

Too tinted for you, i expect. Coming from countries where colonialism ended to soon, eh old boy?

PNG, Timor Leste, Solomon Islands, Philippines - all signatories to the Refugee convention.
What they have to offer to refugees is a lot more than countries that are not signatories, like Indonesia, Malaysia.

It is not about resentment.

The 'tiny fraction' is a huge lie. In 2012 there were 17,000, in 2013 - 13,000.

Being undocumented, they were given the benefit of the doubt. Being undocumented, they cannot prove their bona fides by definition.


Just a heads up! You’re wasting your time with a manic depressive 60 yr old fat, stumpy unemployed/unemployable cyber junkie troll who takes drugs and doesn’t sleep and who hasn’t logged off in over 24 hrs.





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Reply #131 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:38am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:05am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.


I'm sorry, what are you arguing here?

That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island.


Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.


Only with bogans because it's so cheap.  I wouldn't go to Bali and surrounds if I was given a free ticket.
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Reply #132 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:40am
 
Black Orchid wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:38am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:05am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.


I'm sorry, what are you arguing here?

That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island.


Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.


Only with bogans because it's so cheap.  I wouldn't go to Bali and surrounds if I was given a free ticket.


Oh I agree! Yet Aussies GO THERE!
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Reply #133 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:53am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:40am:
Black Orchid wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:38am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:05am:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am:
mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am:
Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.


I'm sorry, what are you arguing here?

That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island.


Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.


Only with bogans because it's so cheap.  I wouldn't go to Bali and surrounds if I was given a free ticket.


Oh I agree! Yet Aussies GO THERE!



Because refugees notoriously land in resorts with their tabs paid. Of course.

You're on a roll today, Larry.

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Reply #134 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:12am
 
Thousands of "refugees" in England are housed in hotels at public expense. Thousands more are coming constantly.

From France. Illegally. They are not French, fleeing the political terror of France or Italy or Spain.  No. They are like the illegal queue jumpers who were coming from Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, etc to Australia via corrupt Indonesia and Malaysia.
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