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Re: Immigration
Reply #105 - Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 3:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 11:32am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 11:17am:

It’s not racist to debate immigration levels

Of course not.

But it is ignorant not to consider the causes of the refugee crises around the world.

Building walls is not the answer.

We are talking about Australian immigration in this thread, silly parrot.
Federal Politics board.

ie, including the people locked up on Manus Is. , awaitng cofirmation of their status re setting in Oz?

No. Those are illegal would-be queue jumpers who were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and learn.

If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern.

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They are not locked up on Manus Island, they are free to go wherever they want to go, China, Vietnam, Japan, India, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, anywhere.
Just not Australia.

Why not? Both political parties have an idiotic 'big Australia' policy, courtesy of flawed neoclassical "continuous gowth" ideology.

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #106 - Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

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Re: Immigration
Reply #107 - Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #108 - Jul 27^th, 2023 at 5:10pm

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.

They PAID the people smugglers; obviously they didn't like their chances in the $2k per capita GDP Indonesian job market.

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Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Is it any more illegal to enter France than the UK?

Meanwhile Greece and Italy are bearing the brunt of the refugee crisis.

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Tellembuggerem.

Of course YOU aren't interested in solving the global refugee crisis.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #109 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:09am

Frank wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:23am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:09am:

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But university is (or should be) demanding. So to make is 'accessible' they dumbed most uni courses down to the level where you can enrol in a teaching degree with an ATAR of 36 (Federation Uni). Social Work (Disability) 45. A third to half of these low ability students drop out after a year or two

Frank - those figures can't be right. 36?? 45?? Who would get such a ridiculously low ATAR in the first place?

They are not even the lowest.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 76891 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #110 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:13am Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm: They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. They don't all get fox news in buggeroffistan
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Re: Immigration
Reply #111 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:16am

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.

Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #112 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:19am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.

Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.

Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years?

Indonesia is not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection.

We are supposed to do better. We promised to.

This is, of course, all lost on you.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #113 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:20am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.

Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.

Just when i think you couldn't be more out of touch with reality ....

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Re: Immigration
Reply #114 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:26am

mothra wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.

Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.

Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years?

Indonesia is not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection.

We are supposed to do better. We promised to.

This is, of course, all lost on you.

So why fly there, on commercial flights? Because it is a Muslim country, corrupt like the rest of them, and complicit in the people smuggling business.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #115 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:39am

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

mothra wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.

Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.

Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years?

Indonesia is not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection.

We are supposed to do better. We promised to.

This is, of course, all lost on you.

So why fly there, on commercial flights? Because it is a Muslim country, corrupt like the rest of them, and complicit in the people smuggling business.

Mostly old boy, they don't fly there. An if they do, so what? It's a step away from death.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #116 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:47am

Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #117 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:50am

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:47am:

Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.

I'm sorry, what are you arguing here?

That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

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Reply #118 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:58am

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

mothra wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.

Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.

Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years?

Indonesia is not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection.

We are supposed to do better. We promised to.

This is, of course, all lost on you.

So why fly there, on commercial flights? Because it is a Muslim country, corrupt like the rest of them, and complicit in the people smuggling business.

You’re wasting your time. Manic Methra has been online all night again. IT’S IMPLODING now.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #119 - Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:58am

mothra wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:39am:

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

mothra wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.

Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.

Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years?

Indonesia is not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection.

We are supposed to do better. We promised to.

This is, of course, all lost on you.

So why fly there, on commercial flights? Because it is a Muslim country, corrupt like the rest of them, and complicit in the people smuggling business.

Mostly old boy, they don't fly there. An if they do, so what? It's a step away from death.

Don't be an idiot. Of course they fly there. Do you think they drive from Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan to Labuhan, West Java and other Indonesian ports???

So what? So they are lying to the Indonesia (which is happy to take their bribes) and lying to Australia (which isn't).
So there is lying at the heart of the matter, from the get-go.

PNG, Solom Islands, Philipines, Timor Leste - just as far from the Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan as Indonesia, all signatories to the Refugee convention.
Why don't they make their ways to any of those countries?

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