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Reply #1065 - May 15^th, 2024 at 1:24pm

Daves2017 wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 7:25pm:

“The influx has been blamed on exacerbating the housing crisis and Prime Minister Prime Albo revealed Labor will cut immigration levels below 300,000.”

Albo did say sorry about completely ruining the country but now his focus group has told him he can be winner with voters by fixing the very big mistake he made!

Why do we pay our politicians so well when they completely screw the country by idiot decisions?

Because we - like our politicians - are all deluded by mainstream Neoclassical economists.

Note: a third of the population own a house(s) mortgage free, and have savings in the bank. Therfore RBA monetary policy no longer works: lifting interest rates will INCREASE inflation, as that fortunate cohort spend more into the economy.

You can start by educating yourself: see the MMT thread to understand how a zero interest rate, zero taxation/ zero govt. borrowing, full employment economy works, with price controls and rationing to deal with supply chain failures.

The antidote to the endless media nonsense about Labor's 'budget'.

The markets are good servants but bad masters, and a worse religion. A.Lovins.

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Reply #1066 - May 15^th, 2024 at 2:51pm

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/steven-miles-migration-announcement-slammed...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/federal-government-urged-to-fast-track-...

"A looming housing crisis has prompted calls for the commonwealth to fast track plans to halve overseas migration.

Queensland Deputy Premier Cameron Dick says prompt action must be taken after record numbers flocked to the state.

However Mr Dick says it is "offensive" to suggest the state government is courting the anti-immigration and One Nation vote ahead of the October state election.

Mr Dick said Queensland would struggle to keep up with housing demand, revealing the state's population had grown by a record 144,000 - including 88,000 from overseas - in the year to September 2023.

A nationwide spike in the number of people coming to Australia in the past year recently prompted the federal government to announce an overhaul of the migration system, including a plan to halve net overseas migration by 2025.
Mr Dick on Tuesday backed the strategy but urged the government to "get on with that".

"Something needs to happen and that is why we are calling on the federal government to take prompt action to reduce migration," he said.

Mr Dick said on current figures Queensland would need about 60,000 new houses to keep up with the influx.

"We have got a demand problem now when it comes to housing in particular," he said.

"That's just the reality. We've done everything we can. We've pulled every possible lever."

Asked if his Labor party was stealing One Nation's policies before the election, Mr Dick said: "I reject that entirely. That is quite an offensive thing to say.

"That's not our position at all...Queensland has built its history on migration."

Mr Dick said skilled migration was still needed, with the state government reportedly welcoming the commonwealth's agreement to prioritise visas for construction workers.

Opposition Leader David Crisafulli accused the state government of poor planning "after welcoming everybody in".

"What we're seeing today is a government that will do and say anything in the shadows of an election after being cheerleaders for migration for a decade and just not planning for it," he told reporters."

See how they run like pigs from a gun when an election is looming.... and Labor is self-destructing over Aboriginalism and immigration and all the other social science driven wackey-doo.... see how they run .....

FedLab says all these 'treaties' are state things ... now the states are saying immigration is a Fed thing even though they supported it whole-heartedly at the national caucus and actually voted on it.... liars all.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1068 - May 15^th, 2024 at 6:54pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

FedLab says all these 'treaties' are state things ... now the states are saying immigration is a Fed thing even though they supported it whole-heartedly at the national caucus and actually voted on it.... liars all.

Whitlam would have sorted all that nonsense out; he wanted to abolish the states, to stop all the buck passing....

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Reply #1069 - May 15^th, 2024 at 7:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 6:54pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

FedLab says all these 'treaties' are state things ... now the states are saying immigration is a Fed thing even though they supported it whole-heartedly at the national caucus and actually voted on it.... liars all.

Whitlam would have sorted all that nonsense out; he wanted to abolish the states, to stop all the buck passing....

Whitlam was an idiot.

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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
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Re: Immigration
Reply #1071 - May 16^th, 2024 at 1:05am

Whitlam was before my time.

Could be worthy of his own thread.

My understanding is he was “ sacked “ for sending the country broke ??

I must agree with the the concept of removing the states.

Keep local councils and expand them to be viable but state government is just a pointless tier of government.

Whitlam was right, no wonder they got rid of him.

Remove the state governments and you would instantly have a million unemployed!
It’s hard to find such pointless work at such a fantastic rate of pay and condition’s in the real world.

Removing state governments would save billions.

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“Two incomes of $120-150k a year is the minimum required to live in Australia. You need to find a career that can get you to that in the future, or you’re cooked,”

Fair go!?

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Reply #1072 - May 16^th, 2024 at 7:51am

Daves2017 wrote on May 16^th, 2024 at 1:05am:

Whitlam was before my time.

Could be worthy of his own thread.

My understanding is he was “ sacked “ for sending the country broke ??

I must agree with the the concept of removing the states.

Keep local councils and expand them to be viable but state government is just a pointless tier of government.

Whitlam was right, no wonder they got rid of him.

Remove the state governments and you would instantly have a million unemployed!
It’s hard to find such pointless work at such a fantastic rate of pay and condition’s in the real world.

Removing state governments would save billions.

even more pointless (though the rate of pay isn't great) is sh1tposting on this website all day

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Reply #1073 - May 16^th, 2024 at 10:09am

Anyone ready yet to explain fully to me how and why the Third World Australia Immigration policy is better than the old First World Australia Immigration policy?

You do see what I'm getting at here, don't you? Or are you all being coy?

Let me help - First World Immigration Policy brought in people who built the Snowies Scheme, often went into business or study and prospered until they blended in ..... Third World Immigration Policy brings in people who build their own ghettoes, rob Centrelink, NDIS, childcare and home schooling and anywhere else the money lies while disrupting the social fabric of the nation, overwhelming the housing market and jobs markets and infrastructure, reducing opportunity for the many, thus effectively reducing bargaining power of those who work for a living, and even carry on violently in the streets as well as predominating in often violent organised crime and crass exploitation of our lax business rules to rob people they contract to (Mehajer) ........

Now then - who can see the difference?

Let's forget this nonsense of 'White Australia policy' -

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1074 - May 16^th, 2024 at 11:51am

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 7:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 6:54pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

FedLab says all these 'treaties' are state things ... now the states are saying immigration is a Fed thing even though they supported it whole-heartedly at the national caucus and actually voted on it.... liars all.

Whitlam would have sorted all that nonsense out; he wanted to abolish the states, to stop all the buck passing....

Whitlam was an idiot.

"It's mirror time".....

8 governments, governor generals, treasuries - the whole kit and caboodle......for 25 million people.

Deplorable.

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Reply #1075 - May 16^th, 2024 at 11:54am

JC Denton wrote on May 16^th, 2024 at 7:51am:

Daves2017 wrote on May 16^th, 2024 at 1:05am:

Whitlam was before my time.

Could be worthy of his own thread.

My understanding is he was “ sacked “ for sending the country broke ??

I must agree with the the concept of removing the states.

Keep local councils and expand them to be viable but state government is just a pointless tier of government.

Whitlam was right, no wonder they got rid of him.

Remove the state governments and you would instantly have a million unemployed!
It’s hard to find such pointless work at such a fantastic rate of pay and condition’s in the real world.

Removing state governments would save billions.

even more pointless (though the rate of pay isn't great) is sh1tposting on this website all day

Education, and exchange of ideas, is a wonderful thing, though despised by conservatives, obviously...

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1076 - May 16^th, 2024 at 12:02pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 16^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Anyone ready yet to explain fully to me how and why the Third World Australia Immigration policy is better than the old First World Australia Immigration policy?

You do see what I'm getting at here, don't you? Or are you all being coy?

Let me help - First World Immigration Policy brought in people who built the Snowies Scheme, often went into business or study and prospered until they blended in ..... Third World Immigration Policy brings in people who build their own ghettoes, rob Centrelink, NDIS, childcare and home schooling and anywhere else the money lies while disrupting the social fabric of the nation, overwhelming the housing market and jobs markets and infrastructure, reducing opportunity for the many, thus effectively reducing bargaining power of those who work for a living, and even carry on violently in the streets as well as predominating in often violent organised crime and crass exploitation of our lax business rules to rob people they contract to (Mehajer) ........

Now then - who can see the difference?

Let's forget this nonsense of 'White Australia policy' -

Unlike immediately after WW2, 1st worlders are now happy to stay in their own countries. That leaves the 3rd world to fill the gaps left by our failure to train our own citizens.

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Reply #1077 - May 16^th, 2024 at 1:19pm

I'd hardly even begin to suggest the world of discussion was somehow divided between 'conservative' and 'progressive' only ... every single viewpoint is individual....

You're autistic, aren't you? This is not even skillful trolling... you need a better act than constantly assuming and slinging around what you consider to be pejoratives while pushing an outmoded and frankly absurd ideological line ...

I, for one, am progressive against progressives..... that's the next wave... better than trying to get your board started on the last one... you are as bogged down in the past as any 'conservative' ...

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Reply #1078 - May 16^th, 2024 at 1:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 16^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 16^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Anyone ready yet to explain fully to me how and why the Third World Australia Immigration policy is better than the old First World Australia Immigration policy?

You do see what I'm getting at here, don't you? Or are you all being coy?

Let me help - First World Immigration Policy brought in people who built the Snowies Scheme, often went into business or study and prospered until they blended in ..... Third World Immigration Policy brings in people who build their own ghettoes, rob Centrelink, NDIS, childcare and home schooling and anywhere else the money lies while disrupting the social fabric of the nation, overwhelming the housing market and jobs markets and infrastructure, reducing opportunity for the many, thus effectively reducing bargaining power of those who work for a living, and even carry on violently in the streets as well as predominating in often violent organised crime and crass exploitation of our lax business rules to rob people they contract to (Mehajer) ........

Now then - who can see the difference?

Let's forget this nonsense of 'White Australia policy' -

Unlike immediatlery after WW2, 1st worlders are now happy to stay in their own countries. That leaves the 3rd world to fill the gaps left by our failure to train our own cirizens.

Nonsense..... what first worlder would want to remain in a country over-run by third worlders..... oh ...... dearie me ....... look at Alboworld right now.... best you find your way out of the past quick, son - the present is leaving you behind at a rapid rate... catch that wave at the full...

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Reply #1079 - May 16^th, 2024 at 1:55pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 16^th, 2024 at 1:19pm:

TGD:

Unlike immediately after WW2, 1st worlders are now happy to stay in their own countries. That leaves the 3rd world to fill the gaps left by our failure to train our own citizens.

I'd hardly even begin to suggest the world of discussion was somehow divided between 'conservative' and 'progressive' only ... every single viewpoint is individual....

?? I don't see any mention of 'conservative' and 'progressive'. Please try to address what you imagine you are replying to.

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You're autistic, aren't you?

So? Even Musk is autistic by his own admission(....and I'm not admitting it).

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This is not even skillful trolling... you need a better act than constantly assuming and slinging around what you consider to be pejoratives while pushing an outmoded and frankly absurd ideological line ...

You asked for an explanation of why Oz has replaced 1st world with 3rd world immigration.

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I, for one, am progressive against progressives.....

You are an example of the egregious effects of the unconcious influence of the reptilian brain, neutering your ability (via the cortex) to think rationally. .

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you are as bogged down in the past as any 'conservative' ...

Er - I'm looking forward to a world with effective international law, to achieve collective wellbeing and security.

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