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Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere.
Reply #2265 - Jul 14th, 2026 at 9:36am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 9:58pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 12:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:31am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:25am:
You have known for a long time that I am indeed a Marxist - A Groucho Marxist. From the comedy / Movie culture.

OH I watch almost no TV except sport and only Music on the radio - in the car. I couldn't parrot TV or radio if I wanted to - I am not exposed to it.



OK - maybe it's from books?


https://is2-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Publication/v4/c7/d5/32/c7d53292-bbb6-9...


You are living in the past, it's time you started to educate yourself.

Marxism quickly split into two forms : eg, democratic socialism envisioned by Eduard Bernstein soon after Marx's  death, after he noticed - contrary to Marx's predictions - the capitalism's ability  to raise the incomes  of middle class workers in late Victorian England (but he forgot England's success was partly due to the spoils of empire).

Whereas Lenin understood  revolutionary Marxism would be required to lift living standards of the workers in Russia; unfortunately Stalin later added murder as a method of state control.

Note:

(google)

"Lenin actively advocated for the Marxist concept of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." In his view, this was not a personal autocracy, but a transitional, democratic state run by and for the working class to suppress the bourgeoisie and facilitate the shift toward socialism".

Fast forward to today: recently capitalism has reverted to oligarchy in the world's most powerful capitalist nation, resulting in the election of a democratic socialist in New York, where average wage earners can no longer afford to rent or buy houses....go figure.




Quote:
democratic socialism


A number of Americans claim this but they go further by extending to Market capitalist socialism - In other words not socialism at all. This is basically Bernie and a few of the progressives.

These guys claim socialism on a non socialist basis. i.e they are democratic market socialists - this means that they are the opposite to socialist socialists.



You are totally ignorant and proud of it.
Your belly full of peas, you make up silly duckwittery, add 'basically' and 'this means' randomly and idiotic things you make up, like 'market capitalist socialism', and then rejoice in your blinkered small-mindedness.

Eat mo' peas.

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Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere.
Reply #2266 - Jul 14th, 2026 at 11:41am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2026 at 9:36am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 9:58pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 12:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:31am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:25am:
You have known for a long time that I am indeed a Marxist - A Groucho Marxist. From the comedy / Movie culture.

OH I watch almost no TV except sport and only Music on the radio - in the car. I couldn't parrot TV or radio if I wanted to - I am not exposed to it.



OK - maybe it's from books?


https://is2-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Publication/v4/c7/d5/32/c7d53292-bbb6-9...


You are living in the past, it's time you started to educate yourself.

Marxism quickly split into two forms : eg, democratic socialism envisioned by Eduard Bernstein soon after Marx's  death, after he noticed - contrary to Marx's predictions - the capitalism's ability  to raise the incomes  of middle class workers in late Victorian England (but he forgot England's success was partly due to the spoils of empire).

Whereas Lenin understood  revolutionary Marxism would be required to lift living standards of the workers in Russia; unfortunately Stalin later added murder as a method of state control.

Note:

(google)

"Lenin actively advocated for the Marxist concept of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." In his view, this was not a personal autocracy, but a transitional, democratic state run by and for the working class to suppress the bourgeoisie and facilitate the shift toward socialism".

Fast forward to today: recently capitalism has reverted to oligarchy in the world's most powerful capitalist nation, resulting in the election of a democratic socialist in New York, where average wage earners can no longer afford to rent or buy houses....go figure.




Quote:
democratic socialism


A number of Americans claim this but they go further by extending to Market capitalist socialism - In other words not socialism at all. This is basically Bernie and a few of the progressives.

These guys claim socialism on a non socialist basis. i.e they are democratic market socialists - this means that they are the opposite to socialist socialists.



You are totally ignorant and proud of it.
Your belly full of peas, you make up silly duckwittery, add 'basically' and 'this means' randomly and idiotic things you make up, like 'market capitalist socialism', and then rejoice in your blinkered small-mindedness.

Eat mo' peas.



Insults = 8
Substance = 0

Typical count.

And still after 2267 posts not 1 single Cultural Marxist named ? (Except for me)
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Reply #2267 - Jul 14th, 2026 at 12:24pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 9:58pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 12:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:31am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:25am:
You have known for a long time that I am indeed a Marxist - A Groucho Marxist. From the comedy / Movie culture.

OH I watch almost no TV except sport and only Music on the radio - in the car. I couldn't parrot TV or radio if I wanted to - I am not exposed to it.



OK - maybe it's from books?


https://is2-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Publication/v4/c7/d5/32/c7d53292-bbb6-9...


You are living in the past, it's time you started to educate yourself.

Marxism quickly split into two forms : eg, democratic socialism envisioned by Eduard Bernstein soon after Marx's  death, after he noticed - contrary to Marx's predictions - the capitalism's ability  to raise the incomes  of middle class workers in late Victorian England (but he forgot England's success was partly due to the spoils of empire).

Whereas Lenin understood  revolutionary Marxism would be required to lift living standards of the workers in Russia; unfortunately Stalin later added murder as a method of state control.

Note:

(google)

"Lenin actively advocated for the Marxist concept of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." In his view, this was not a personal autocracy, but a transitional, democratic state run by and for the working class to suppress the bourgeoisie and facilitate the shift toward socialism".

Fast forward to today: recently capitalism has reverted to oligarchy in the world's most powerful capitalist nation, resulting in the election of a democratic socialist in New York, where average wage earners can no longer afford to rent or buy houses....go figure.




Quote:
democratic socialism


A number of Americans claim this but they go further by extending to Market capitalist socialism - In other words not socialism at all. This is basically Bernie and a few of the progressives.


Meanings of the terms "socialist",  "revolutionary socialist" (Lenin), "democratic socialist" (Sanders)   do tend to become vague/ill-defined,  in this debate.

eg, Bernie - a self-proclaimed  "democratic socialist", supports "an economy which works for all" - which is not a requirement or characteristic of market economies.

Market economies are subject to market failure....eg, unaffordable housing, electricity etc.

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These guys claim socialism on a non socialist basis. i.e they are democratic market socialists - this means that they are the opposite to socialist socialists.


Addressed above: 'invisible hand' markets are obsolete in today's global supply chains, increasingly so as AI and robots increase production of goods and services.


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Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere.
Reply #2268 - Jul 14th, 2026 at 3:51pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 14th, 2026 at 12:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 9:58pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 12:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:31am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:25am:
You have known for a long time that I am indeed a Marxist - A Groucho Marxist. From the comedy / Movie culture.

OH I watch almost no TV except sport and only Music on the radio - in the car. I couldn't parrot TV or radio if I wanted to - I am not exposed to it.



OK - maybe it's from books?


https://is2-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Publication/v4/c7/d5/32/c7d53292-bbb6-9...


You are living in the past, it's time you started to educate yourself.

Marxism quickly split into two forms : eg, democratic socialism envisioned by Eduard Bernstein soon after Marx's  death, after he noticed - contrary to Marx's predictions - the capitalism's ability  to raise the incomes  of middle class workers in late Victorian England (but he forgot England's success was partly due to the spoils of empire).

Whereas Lenin understood  revolutionary Marxism would be required to lift living standards of the workers in Russia; unfortunately Stalin later added murder as a method of state control.

Note:

(google)

"Lenin actively advocated for the Marxist concept of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." In his view, this was not a personal autocracy, but a transitional, democratic state run by and for the working class to suppress the bourgeoisie and facilitate the shift toward socialism".

Fast forward to today: recently capitalism has reverted to oligarchy in the world's most powerful capitalist nation, resulting in the election of a democratic socialist in New York, where average wage earners can no longer afford to rent or buy houses....go figure.




Quote:
democratic socialism


A number of Americans claim this but they go further by extending to Market capitalist socialism - In other words not socialism at all. This is basically Bernie and a few of the progressives.


Meanings of the terms "socialist",  "revolutionary socialist" (Lenin), "democratic socialist" (Sanders)   do tend to become vague/ill-defined,  in this debate.

eg, Bernie - a self-proclaimed  "democratic socialist", supports "an economy which works for all" - which is not a requirement or characteristic of market economies.

Market economies are subject to market failure....eg, unaffordable housing, electricity etc.

Quote:
These guys claim socialism on a non socialist basis. i.e they are democratic market socialists - this means that they are the opposite to socialist socialists.


Addressed above: 'invisible hand' markets are obsolete in today's global supply chains, increasingly so as AI and robots increase production of goods and services.




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supports "an economy which works for all" - which is not a requirement or characteristic of market economies.


Works for all or works for big corporations makes no real difference to market failure...impacting unaffordable housing, electricity etc. Where the mnoney goes only matters when there is money to go somewhere.

I know I am not perfect on democratic socialism, the problem however is that it is so far from what the right believe is socialism that it isn't really technically socialist in their own terms.

Its based on democratic change and is 100% non authoritarian. That makes it anti Marxist and also very different from socialist because it isn't reliant on a broad state or collective ownership. 

Democratic socialism rejects authoritarian models and revolutionary overhauls. Socialism most often embraces revolution as an unavoidable outcome and will often or even mostly include authoritarian models.

Virtually everything the right consider to be socialism just isn't here.
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Reply #2269 - Jul 14th, 2026 at 5:07pm
 
"A spectre is haunting Europe—the spectre of communism." - (c) Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels

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Reply #2270 - Jul 14th, 2026 at 6:32pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 14th, 2026 at 3:51pm:
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These guys claim socialism on a non socialist basis. i.e they are democratic market socialists - this means that they are the opposite to socialist socialists.


Addressed above: 'invisible hand' markets are obsolete in today's global supply chains, increasingly so as AI and robots increase production of goods and services.


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TGD Bernie supports "an economy which works for all" - which is not a requirement or characteristic of market economies.

Works for all or works for big corporations makes no real difference to market failure...


Except "works for all" (Sanders)  means delivers the essentials for all - all the time regardless of market conditions

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impacting unaffordable housing, electricity etc. Where the mnoney goes only matters when there is money to go somewhere.


That's when taxation to deliver the essentials for all matters... but Neoclassical orthodoxy preaches  low taxes and low spending, meaning govt. can't deliver the essentials for all, as it did back in the 1946-1970s Keynesian 'welfare state' era (though Keynes promoted govt. [i]deficit spending
, not higher taxes),  to maintain growth and full employment   when markets fail to achieve it.

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I know I am not perfect on democratic socialism, the problem however is that it is so far from what the right believe is socialism that it isn't really technically socialist in their own terms.



The right are 'survival of the fittest'/low tax laissez faire goons who think unbridled competition provides the most efficient economy, while asserting "poverty is  always with us".

The question for progressives who want a fair economy is : how can govt. deliver the essentials for all.

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Its based on democratic change and is 100% non authoritarian. That makes it anti Marxist and also very different from socialist because it isn't reliant on a broad state or collective ownership. 


Marxism soon evolved into many schools, some of which rejected one-party authoritarianism (or 'dictatorship of the proletariat'): google Eduard Bernstein.

In fact  government can eshew collective ownership, while delivering the essentials for all (aka 'socilaism'), alongside self-interest-driven 'invisible hand', competitive markets.

(Not sure what you mena by a "broad state".)  Bernie  wants higher taxes - which makes him "socialist" according the right- and the mainstream  Dems like Nacy Perlosi who said "we are all capitlaists" to a student who wanted a more progresssive economy which serves everyone. 

Meanwhile  Albo is bragging about having lower taxes than the Coalition  (though slightly more 'progressive' taxes), he has abandoned any pretence to 'socialism' which became a dirty word after Thatcher.

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Democratic socialism rejects authoritarian models and revolutionary overhauls. Socialism most often embraces revolution as an unavoidable outcome and will often or even mostly include authoritarian models.


Addressed above.

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Virtually everything the right consider to be socialism just isn't here.


Correct: Bobby et al reckon  Albo is a contemptible  "socialist".

Madness.

Now of course govt everywhere is failing because no-one wants to increase taxes; eg Angus Taylor says Pauline's ("unfunded") policies will "send the Commonwealth broke".

And Taylor's mob will be eating away at Medicare every chance they get, while Labor thinks some changes to CGT and NG will magically make it possible for everyone to find secure housing (whether public or private), as Menzies did.

Not surprisinglty FreeDiver reckons provision of public housing is "communist".

Deplorable.




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Reply #2271 - Jul 14th, 2026 at 8:13pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 14th, 2026 at 11:41am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2026 at 9:36am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 9:58pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 12:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:31am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:25am:
You have known for a long time that I am indeed a Marxist - A Groucho Marxist. From the comedy / Movie culture.

OH I watch almost no TV except sport and only Music on the radio - in the car. I couldn't parrot TV or radio if I wanted to - I am not exposed to it.



OK - maybe it's from books?


https://is2-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Publication/v4/c7/d5/32/c7d53292-bbb6-9...


You are living in the past, it's time you started to educate yourself.

Marxism quickly split into two forms : eg, democratic socialism envisioned by Eduard Bernstein soon after Marx's  death, after he noticed - contrary to Marx's predictions - the capitalism's ability  to raise the incomes  of middle class workers in late Victorian England (but he forgot England's success was partly due to the spoils of empire).

Whereas Lenin understood  revolutionary Marxism would be required to lift living standards of the workers in Russia; unfortunately Stalin later added murder as a method of state control.

Note:

(google)

"Lenin actively advocated for the Marxist concept of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." In his view, this was not a personal autocracy, but a transitional, democratic state run by and for the working class to suppress the bourgeoisie and facilitate the shift toward socialism".

Fast forward to today: recently capitalism has reverted to oligarchy in the world's most powerful capitalist nation, resulting in the election of a democratic socialist in New York, where average wage earners can no longer afford to rent or buy houses....go figure.




Quote:
democratic socialism


A number of Americans claim this but they go further by extending to Market capitalist socialism - In other words not socialism at all. This is basically Bernie and a few of the progressives.

These guys claim socialism on a non socialist basis. i.e they are democratic market socialists - this means that they are the opposite to socialist socialists.



You are totally ignorant and proud of it.
Your belly full of peas, you make up silly duckwittery, add 'basically' and 'this means' randomly and idiotic things you make up, like 'market capitalist socialism', and then rejoice in your blinkered small-mindedness.

Eat mo' peas.



Insults = 8
Substance = 0

Typical count.

And still after 2267 posts not 1 single Cultural Marxist named ? (Except for me)

If you didnt say so many stpid things they wouldnt be pointed out so nany times, duckwit.

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Reply #2272 - Jul 14th, 2026 at 8:45pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 28th, 1975 at 6:03am:
Except "works for all" (Sanders)  means delivers the essentials for all - all the time regardless of market conditions

Quote:
impacting unaffordable housing, electricity etc. Where the mnoney goes only matters when there is money to go somewhere.


That's when taxation to deliver the essentials for all matters... but Neoclassical orthodoxy preaches  low taxes and low spending, meaning govt. can't deliver the essentials for all, as it did back in the 1946-1970s Keynesian 'welfare state' era (though Keynes promoted govt. [i]deficit spending
, not higher taxes),  to maintain growth and full employment   when markets fail to achieve it.





Work for all? But what is the motivation to work?
Income and self- fulfilment. Many jobs are not fulfilling so in those cases, it's income.
But why work for income when govenment can just generate money out of thin air (your idea) and just give it to you?

If money is just generated by govenhent fiat and there is no need for taxation (youf idwas), why is there need to work? Why link money to work?

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Reply #2273 - Jul 15th, 2026 at 7:12pm
 
At the recent women’s rights rallies in Melbourne and Brisbane, the message from trans activists was unmistakeable and menacing. While women gathered peacefully to defend sex-based rights and urge fixes to the Sex Discrimination Act, counter-protesters brought signs that crossed into explicit threats of violence.

These were not subtle expressions of disagreement. They were public, intimidating warnings aimed at women who dared to state that biological sex was real and that female-only spaces must stay that way.

Across the two cities, hundreds of trans activists carried large, handpainted placards such as one reading “TERFS GET THE WALL!” in bold red lettering – a direct euphemism for execution by firing squad – and another demanding that I be thrown into a men’s prison. Activists posted pictures and videos of themselves preparing these banners alongside trans flags to social media. Once in the public square, most of the activists wore masks.

Groups including the Trans Action Network, Queer Solidarity Magandjin and Socialist Alternative UQ organised and celebrated the counter-protests.

Far from spontaneous individual outrage, the co-ordinated presence, matching signage and targeted messaging revealed a deliberate campaign of intimidation. This level of organisation turns isolated anger into something far more systematic.

Anthony Albanese previously has framed the whole issue as a tiresome “culture war”. Yet when a rally sign explicitly threatens a woman for defending her rights, that is not cultural debate. It is incitement that demands serious attention. The Prime Minister’s characterisation airbrushes away the aggression that makes this debate so urgent.

As the woman named on one of those signs, I felt the fear first-hand. It is not abstract. It forces you to confront your own safety in a country where speaking biological truth can make you a target. The chilling effect is deliberate and it is being ignored by too many in positions of influence. This is the reality for growing numbers of Australian women who refuse to pretend away material facts.

Sex Discrimination Commissioner Anna Cody should be the first line of defence for women confronting such threats.

Her role exists to protect sex-based rights. Instead, she has prioritised gender ideology to the point of stretching pregnancy-related protections to cover biological males and treating sex as something negotiable rather than immutable.

For women facing real intimidation, her office is about as useful as the morning-after pill is to a man. When the institution charged with safeguarding women on the basis of sex subordinates that mandate to ideology, women are left isolated and unprotected. Vulnerable.

The rallies made the case more powerfully than any argument could. The aggression, entitlement and explicit threats on display are textbook male-pattern behaviour, the reason female-only spaces in prisons, shelters, sports and changing rooms were created.

David Swift
Declaring yourself a woman does not alter chromosomes, reproductive biology or well-documented patterns of violence. It merely insists that everyone else ignore those realities, usually at women’s expense.

Media hesitation, political re­framing and ideologically captured human rights bodies only worsen the problem. Many of these institutions now redefine “woman”, place self-ID above biological sex and treat the defence of single-sex spaces as the genuine offence. It is little wonder a direct threat on a public sign is ignored while the women targeted are cast as provocateurs.

The path forward is obvious. Governments and institutions must acknowledge biological reality and the reality of the situation. Men cannot become women and the explicit threats from trans activists prove exactly why female-only spaces are essential for safety, privacy and fairness. It is beyond time for the Albanese government and the Sex Discrimination Commissioner to recognise that the women in this fight are right.

Reality cannot be shouted or legislated away. The threats make that clearer than ever.

Sall Grover is founder and chief executive of Giggle and an accidental women’s rights advocate.

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Reply #2274 - Jul 15th, 2026 at 10:23pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2026 at 8:13pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 14th, 2026 at 11:41am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2026 at 9:36am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 9:58pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 12:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:31am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 13th, 2026 at 11:25am:
You have known for a long time that I am indeed a Marxist - A Groucho Marxist. From the comedy / Movie culture.

OH I watch almost no TV except sport and only Music on the radio - in the car. I couldn't parrot TV or radio if I wanted to - I am not exposed to it.



OK - maybe it's from books?


https://is2-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Publication/v4/c7/d5/32/c7d53292-bbb6-9...


You are living in the past, it's time you started to educate yourself.

Marxism quickly split into two forms : eg, democratic socialism envisioned by Eduard Bernstein soon after Marx's  death, after he noticed - contrary to Marx's predictions - the capitalism's ability  to raise the incomes  of middle class workers in late Victorian England (but he forgot England's success was partly due to the spoils of empire).

Whereas Lenin understood  revolutionary Marxism would be required to lift living standards of the workers in Russia; unfortunately Stalin later added murder as a method of state control.

Note:

(google)

"Lenin actively advocated for the Marxist concept of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." In his view, this was not a personal autocracy, but a transitional, democratic state run by and for the working class to suppress the bourgeoisie and facilitate the shift toward socialism".

Fast forward to today: recently capitalism has reverted to oligarchy in the world's most powerful capitalist nation, resulting in the election of a democratic socialist in New York, where average wage earners can no longer afford to rent or buy houses....go figure.




Quote:
democratic socialism


A number of Americans claim this but they go further by extending to Market capitalist socialism - In other words not socialism at all. This is basically Bernie and a few of the progressives.

These guys claim socialism on a non socialist basis. i.e they are democratic market socialists - this means that they are the opposite to socialist socialists.



You are totally ignorant and proud of it.
Your belly full of peas, you make up silly duckwittery, add 'basically' and 'this means' randomly and idiotic things you make up, like 'market capitalist socialism', and then rejoice in your blinkered small-mindedness.

Eat mo' peas.



Insults = 8
Substance = 0

Typical count.

And still after 2267 posts not 1 single Cultural Marxist named ? (Except for me)

If you didnt say so many stpid things they wouldnt be pointed out so nany times, duckwit.



No name still ? Not one. No example of one single cultural Marxist from anywhere in the world. zero zilch nada.
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Reply #2275 - Jul 16th, 2026 at 3:11pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2026 at 8:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 28th, 1975 at 6:03am:
Except "works for all" (Sanders)  means delivers the essentials for all - all the time regardless of market conditions

Quote:
impacting unaffordable housing, electricity etc. Where the mnoney goes only matters when there is money to go somewhere.


That's when taxation to deliver the essentials for all matters... but Neoclassical orthodoxy preaches  low taxes and low spending, meaning govt. can't deliver the essentials for all, as it did back in the 1946-1970s Keynesian 'welfare state' era (though Keynes promoted govt. [i]deficit spending
, not higher taxes),  to maintain growth and full employment   when markets fail to achieve it.



Work for all?


You omitted the letter 's', changing the orignal meaning, namely, dem. soc. Sanders supports an economy which works for all.

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But what is the motivation to work?Income and self- fulfilment. Many jobs are not fulfilling so in those cases, it's income.


Correct: in a money economy, we all need money to survive.   

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But why work for income when govenment can just generate money out of thin air (your idea) and just give it to you?


1. Abos nail it on the head with their term indicating contempt for the dole:  "sit-down money"; most healthy  adults want to participate in the nation's economy, thereby supporting themselves. 

2.C-i governments can issue money out of thin air IF the resources required to house clothe and feed everyone (aka 'socialism') are available for purchase by the government (avoiding inflation).

But that requires people to work, to convert available resources into goods and services we all need.    So we need a public and private sector (the latter driven by self-interest) operating side by side.

Preferably with  everyone participating in the economy, no unemployment necessary (unless you are rich enough to support yourself.)

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If money is just generated by govenhent fiat and there is no need for taxation (youf idwas), why is there need to work? Why link money to work?


Addressed above: the goods and services we all need still require most people to work; but note Musk's remark - looking forward - that "AI will make work optional and money irrelevant"...... 


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Reply #2276 - Jul 16th, 2026 at 11:36pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16th, 2026 at 3:11pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2026 at 8:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 28th, 1975 at 6:03am:
Except "works for all" (Sanders)  means delivers the essentials for all - all the time regardless of market conditions

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impacting unaffordable housing, electricity etc. Where the mnoney goes only matters when there is money to go somewhere.


That's when taxation to deliver the essentials for all matters... but Neoclassical orthodoxy preaches  low taxes and low spending, meaning govt. can't deliver the essentials for all, as it did back in the 1946-1970s Keynesian 'welfare state' era (though Keynes promoted govt. [i]deficit spending
, not higher taxes),  to maintain growth and full employment   when markets fail to achieve it.



Work for all?


You omitted the letter 's', changing the orignal meaning, namely, dem. soc. Sanders supports an economy which works for all.

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But what is the motivation to work?Income and self- fulfilment. Many jobs are not fulfilling so in those cases, it's income.


Correct: in a money economy, we all need money to survive.   

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But why work for income when govenment can just generate money out of thin air (your idea) and just give it to you?


1. Abos nail it on the head with their term indicating contempt for the dole:  "sit-down money"; most healthy  adults want to participate in the nation's economy, thereby supporting themselves. 

2.C-i governments can issue money out of thin air IF the resources required to house clothe and feed everyone (aka 'socialism') are available for purchase by the government (avoiding inflation).

But that requires people to work, to convert available resources into goods and services we all need.    So we need a public and private sector (the latter driven by self-interest) operating side by side.

Preferably with  everyone participating in the economy, no unemployment necessary (unless you are rich enough to support yourself.)

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If money is just generated by govenhent fiat and there is no need for taxation (youf idwas), why is there need to work? Why link money to work?


Addressed above: the goods and services we all need still require most people to work; but note Musk's remark - looking forward - that "AI will make work optional and money irrelevant"...... 




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but note Musk's remark - looking forward - that "AI will make work optional and money irrelevant"...... 


In the 1950's 1960's governments around the world were saying that productivity would mean a 3 to 4 day work week for all. In reality the benifits all went to about 1% of people while wages were reduced in real terms. It was naive to think the benifits would be shared back then and a million percent less likely today. Musk is proof of this - just how much does he share from his Trillion dollars ? He is a prime example of the 1% & he will continue to keep it all.
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Reply #2277 - Jul 17th, 2026 at 10:04am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 16th, 2026 at 11:36pm:

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but note Musk's remark - looking forward - that "AI will make work optional and money irrelevant"...... 


In the 1950's 1960's governments around the world were saying that productivity would mean a 3 to 4 day work week for all.

In reality the benifits all went to about 1% of people while wages were reduced in real terms.

It was naive to think the benifits would be shared back then and a million percent less likely today.

Musk is proof of this - just how much does he share from his Trillion dollars ?

He is a prime example of the 1% & he will continue to keep it all.




Like the 'OIL families' in the Gulf, and the Iranian Mullahs,
on the other side of the gulf,
they keep it all too.

Its called a 'Lord and serf' system.


COMPARE;
What are the Gulf 'OIL families' and Iranian Mullahs doing with their wealth ?

And what is Elon Musk doing with his wealth ?


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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16th, 2026 at 3:11pm:
2.C-i governments can issue money out of thin air IF the resources required to house clothe and feed everyone (aka 'socialism') are available for purchase by the government (avoiding inflation).

But that requires people to work, to convert available resources into goods and services we all need.    So we need a public and private sector (the latter driven by self-interest) operating side by side.

Preferably with  everyone participating in the economy, no unemployment necessary (unless you are rich enough to support yourself.)





SO what IS the incentive to work if government can give you money out of thin air? Who is going to produce all the stuff that you can simply buy for fiat money? What IS the point of fiat money if it is an exchange for thing you can have without doing anything in return?

How do you make people choose work instead of sit-down money?



You are completely out of your mind.

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Reply #2279 - Jul 17th, 2026 at 11:57am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 16th, 2026 at 11:36pm:
In the 1950's 1960's governments around the world were saying that productivity would mean a 3 to 4 day work week for all. In reality the benifits all went to about 1% of people while wages were reduced in real terms. It was naive to think the benifits would be shared back then and a million percent less likely today. Musk is proof of this - just how much does he share from his Trillion dollars ? He is a prime example of the 1% & he will continue to keep it all.


As a matter of fact: (google)

In 1930, economist John Maynard Keynes predicted that by the year 2030, technological advancements would increase productivity enough to reduce the standard working week to just 15 hours. He theorized that humanity’s basic material needs would be easily met, making work mostly optional and shifting the human struggle to filling newfound leisure time.

He was wrong.....but Musk's predictions may prove to be right.

As for Musk: it's not a matter of an individual  sharing his wealth with the community, it's
a matter of good government delivering the essentials for all.

And in the era of fiat currencies, we know the legal currency-issuer doesn't need taxpayer money to purchase the necessary resources (provided the resources exist).   


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