Dnarever wrote on Jul 14
th, 2026 at 3:51pm:
Quote:These guys claim socialism on a non socialist basis. i.e they are democratic market socialists - this means that they are the opposite to socialist socialists.
Addressed above: 'invisible hand' markets are obsolete in today's global supply chains, increasingly so as AI and robots increase production of goods and services.
Quote: TGD Bernie supports "an economy which works for all" - which is not a requirement or characteristic of market economies.
Works for all or works for big corporations makes no real difference to market failure...
Except "works for all" (Sanders) means
delivers the essentials for all - all the time regardless of market conditions.
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impacting unaffordable housing, electricity etc. Where the mnoney goes only matters when there is money to go somewhere.
That's when taxation to deliver the essentials for all matters... but Neoclassical orthodoxy preaches low taxes and low spending, meaning govt. can't deliver the essentials for all, as it did back in the 1946-1970s Keynesian 'welfare state' era (though Keynes promoted govt. [i]deficit spending, not higher taxes), to maintain growth and full employment when markets fail to achieve it.
Quote:I know I am not perfect on democratic socialism, the problem however is that it is so far from what the right believe is socialism that it isn't really technically socialist in their own terms.
The right are 'survival of the fittest'/low tax
laissez faire goons who think unbridled competition provides the most efficient economy, while asserting "poverty is always with us".
The question for progressives who want a fair economy is : how can govt. deliver the essentials for all.
Quote:Its based on democratic change and is 100% non authoritarian. That makes it anti Marxist and also very different from socialist because it isn't reliant on a broad state or collective ownership.
Marxism soon evolved into many schools, some of which rejected one-party authoritarianism (or 'dictatorship of the proletariat'): google Eduard Bernstein.
In fact government can eshew collective ownership, while delivering the essentials for all (aka 'socilaism'), alongside
self-interest-driven 'invisible hand', competitive markets.
(Not sure what you mena by a "broad state".) Bernie wants higher taxes - which makes him "socialist" according the right- and the mainstream Dems like Nacy Perlosi who said "we are all capitlaists" to a student who wanted a more progresssive economy which serves everyone.
Meanwhile Albo is bragging about having lower taxes than the Coalition (though slightly more 'progressive' taxes), he has abandoned any pretence to 'socialism' which became a dirty word after Thatcher.
Quote:Democratic socialism rejects authoritarian models and revolutionary overhauls. Socialism most often embraces revolution as an unavoidable outcome and will often or even mostly include authoritarian models.
Addressed above.
Quote:Virtually everything the right consider to be socialism just isn't here.
Correct: Bobby et al reckon Albo is a contemptible "socialist".
Madness.
Now of course govt everywhere is failing because no-one wants to increase taxes; eg Angus Taylor says Pauline's ("unfunded") policies will "send the Commonwealth broke".
And Taylor's mob will be eating away at Medicare every chance they get, while Labor thinks some changes to CGT and NG will magically make it possible for everyone to find secure housing (whether public or private), as Menzies did.
Not surprisinglty FreeDiver reckons provision of public housing is "communist".
Deplorable.