Dnarever wrote on Mar 16
th, 2026 at 8:08pm:
[quote]That would be possibly 280 Australian Marxists ???? What about 0.001% of the population.
Is this really a problem ?
Note it could be double that number but it is still nothing.
You guys are nutz.
Oh, I know.
Nutzis.
Look, this is a little bit complicated, so requires some explanation.
Marx came up with communism in a spree of youthful hijinx. The revolutions of 1848 had that effect, I guess. Marx's early Hegelian teleology was rather idealistic, unnecessary and frankly, quite dull.
When Marx grew up, he scrapped the early communism for the more far more centrist
social democracy, advocating state reforms to
tame capitalism, not scrap it. Essentially, Marx ended up with the same political objectives as the modern Liberal Party.
In the end, when it came to the role of government, Marx was about as radical as John Howard.
Basically, there was so little government in the late 19th century, anybody who advocated any form of social intervention by the state was described as a socialist.
Marx never imagined social programs like the NDIS, state subsidized child care or even universal health care. In the 19th century, these kinds of functions were performed by the church, charitable bodies and privately-funded benevolent societies. They founded hospitals, orphanages, poor houses and work farms.
Marx wasn't around to see the emergence of state bodies like the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority or the role of reserve banks in determining interest rates, setting employment targets and managing capital shocks.
These functions were essentially what Young Marx wanted communism to do. He never imagined developed states like Britain and Germany could achieve these aims without taking the economy over first.
Old Marx lived to see the emergence of centralized nation states. He died the same year the first German chancellor Bismarck introduced sickness insurance in 1883 - the first of a series of state-funded social programs, pensions and insurance schemes, anywhere in the world.
These reforms were a response to the rise of the socialist parties Marx inspired. They united in Germany in the Social Democratic Party (SPD), the biggest threat to Bismarck's rule. The SDP kept the leftards nice and snug under the
Efurt program, committing to a Marxist agenda in 1891.
Krauts love a good program, and they seem quite good at knitting factions together to form power. The leftards agreed to stop complaining, and the moderates agreed that Marx was right all along, we just have to be patient. So, they agreed on things like an eight hour work day, eradicating child poverty, expanding Bismarck's social insurance, letting leftards join unions and giving the vote to everybody over 21.
As the 19th century rolled into the 20th, more people were granted the right to vote. WWI killed off so many men, it was natural to let more people vote. In England, they decided to let all men vote in 1918. In Germany, there were so few men left, they extended the vote to women as well.
Basically, everybody was scared of the Bolsheviks, who'd won the Russian Revolution in 2017. They didn't let anybody vote at all.
In 1918, the SDP won a majority in the German Reichstag. The Krauts chucked out the Kaiser and created the Weimar Republic. SDP leader, Friedrich Ebert, formed a coalition and became Germany's first prez in 1919.
It wasn't easy. To stay in power, he had to fight off the newly formed Communist Party (KPD), many of them radicals from the SDP, inspired by the Bolsheviks. The
Spartacist uprising was staged in January 1919, led by Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg. Half a million workers went on strike, over 100,000 took part in the Berlin protests, largely peaceful, and most of them willing to negotiate with the SDP to form power and have a proper socialist country.
Friedrich Ebert rallied the troops. The uprising was crushed by the Freikorps, who later became the Nazis, also socialists -
Nationalist socialists. Karl and Rosa were taken off and shot, Nazi style. Not the most Marxist thing to do back then, but Marx never said it would be easy.
Over in Russia, the Bolsheviks were in the midst of two revolutions and a civil war. When Lenin tried working out what Marx would do, nothing Marx wrote helped. Marx was so useless in staging revolutions, Lenin had to go and write
What Is To Be Done? Burning Questions of Our Movement. It's so un-Marxist, the Bolsheviks called it
Marxism-Leninism, which became the official communist dogma of the 20th century.
Later, when the Chows had a tiff with the Soviets, Mao called the Soviets revisionists, saying
his revolution was the real Marxism-Leninism. This became known as
Maoism.
Then the Western Europeans pointed out Marx wrote only about developed
industrialised countries, not backward agrarian societies, so none of them were right. Gramsci called the Soviets
state capitalists. The Soviets weren't nice at all, going around and invading everybody - that was imperialism. So the Europeans went off revolutions altogether and back to reforming capitalism again.