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Reply #30 - Aug 14th, 2022 at 2:32pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 13th, 2022 at 2:46pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2022 at 11:02am:
...What have we actually gained from abandoning freedom of speech?

LOL... are you taking the piss?

Banning the public display of the swastika is denying freedom of speech?  Seriously?

What about jailing people for distributing 3D child pornography to receptive,
paying customers? Isn't that also denying the pornographers their freedom
of speech?  After all, they're just pictures—like the swastika—so they can't
really harm anybody can they.





This is really a stupid analogy.  Child porn is illegal, whether recorded or not. It is not the pictures in themselves, it is theact that the pictures evidence.

The swastika is a symbol of an ideology.  Can that ideology be discussed and depicted? Of course. It is not an illegal act to discuss ideas in a way that it is illegal to commit certain acts (recorded or not). There is no context in which child porn is not illegal and despicable.
Nazism and the swastika is offensive in only certain circumstances. 

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Re: NSW Second State to Ban Nazi Symbols
Reply #31 - Aug 14th, 2022 at 2:42pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 14th, 2022 at 1:51pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 14th, 2022 at 12:30pm:
...Yes, banning is a Nazi act to begin with.

LOL... it's more than obvious now in your defence of carrying the Nazi symbol
that you have not the faintest notion of its history as utilised by the repressive,
racist German national socialists from 1920 until the end of WW2, that saw
millions of innocent civilians killed in cold blood.

I'll excuse your ignorance on the basis of your apparent youth, but as you grow
into a mature, thinking adult, you'll no doubt change your unenlightened opinion.


Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Flapping your arms while you speak isn't going to help you.

What positive benefit do you see from the ban in terms of the popularity of right wing extremism, and how do you think the law will achieve it?
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Reply #32 - Aug 14th, 2022 at 2:44pm
 
Now all you have to do is differentiate the Nazi swastika from similar designs.

https://listverse.com/2015/08/01/10-historical-swastikas-unrelated-to-the-nazis/
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Reply #33 - Aug 15th, 2022 at 7:54pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2022 at 2:32pm:
...The swastika is a symbol of an ideology.  Can that ideology be discussed and depicted? Of course. It is not an illegal act to discuss ideas in a way that it is illegal to commit certain acts (recorded or not). There is no context in which child porn is not illegal and despicable.
Nazism and the swastika is offensive in only certain circumstances


As I'm sure you know, the swastika is an ancient religious symbol,
predominantly in various Eurasian, as well as some African and
native American cultures, and is still used as a symbol of divinity
and spirituality in the Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism religions.

It was appropriated by the Nazi Party and by current neo-Nazis as
emblematic of the Aryan race.  It continues to be strongly associated
with antisemitism and white supremacism.   Which is why it should
be banned.

I also can't believe that you seem to consider Nazism acceptable in
"certain circumstances". If you do, then you might like to reread a
few WW2 history books for a better perspective on its horrors.


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Reply #34 - Aug 15th, 2022 at 8:35pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 7:54pm:
It continues to be strongly associated
with antisemitism


We'd better ban the Star and Crescent then, the symbol of Islam. Muslims hate Jews

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Reply #35 - Aug 15th, 2022 at 9:07pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 7:54pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2022 at 2:32pm:
...The swastika is a symbol of an ideology.  Can that ideology be discussed and depicted? Of course. It is not an illegal act to discuss ideas in a way that it is illegal to commit certain acts (recorded or not). There is no context in which child porn is not illegal and despicable.
Nazism and the swastika is offensive in only certain circumstances


As I'm sure you know, the swastika is an ancient religious symbol,
predominantly in various Eurasian, as well as some African and
native American cultures, and is still used as a symbol of divinity
and spirituality in the Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism religions.

It was appropriated by the Nazi Party and by current neo-Nazis as
emblematic of the Aryan race.  It continues to be strongly associated
with antisemitism and white supremacism.   Which is why it should
be banned.

I also can't believe that you seem to consider Nazism acceptable in
"certain circumstances". If you do, then you might like to reread a
few WW2 history books for a better perspective on its horrors.



Don't be an idiot just because you can be.  I did say, 'certain circumstances':  discussing nazism and the swastika in the context of history, Indian philosophy, intellectual development (the stuff you are proudly ignorant of), history, philosophy (ouch!! ouch!!), sources and antecedents, results, aftermaths, etc.

Topics for discussion. Discussion, examination, reflection, study, etc, etc are NOT acceptance.  FFS.

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Re: NSW Second State to Ban Nazi Symbols
Reply #36 - Aug 15th, 2022 at 9:07pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 7:54pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2022 at 2:32pm:
...The swastika is a symbol of an ideology.  Can that ideology be discussed and depicted? Of course. It is not an illegal act to discuss ideas in a way that it is illegal to commit certain acts (recorded or not). There is no context in which child porn is not illegal and despicable.
Nazism and the swastika is offensive in only certain circumstances


As I'm sure you know, the swastika is an ancient religious symbol,
predominantly in various Eurasian, as well as some African and
native American cultures, and is still used as a symbol of divinity
and spirituality in the Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism religions.

It was appropriated by the Nazi Party and by current neo-Nazis as
emblematic of the Aryan race.  It continues to be strongly associated
with antisemitism and white supremacism.   Which is why it should
be banned.

I also can't believe that you seem to consider Nazism acceptable in
"certain circumstances". If you do, then you might like to reread a
few WW2 history books for a better perspective on its horrors.


What positive benefit do you see from the ban in terms of the popularity of right wing extremism, and how do you think the law will achieve it?
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Reply #37 - Aug 15th, 2022 at 9:24pm
 

Reading the sort of comments such as those from Frank and Freediver (above)
I'm surprised at their apparent tolerance of the white supremacist's use of
the repellent symbolism of the swastika, and Nazism.

Following Nazi Germany’s defeat in 1945, subsequent German governments
continued the ban on Nazi symbols and propaganda, including the swastika.
Today in Germany and other European states, public display of Nazi symbols,
including on the Internet, is prohibited by law and individuals violating such
terms are subject to criminal proceedings.

I can only hope that these two are simply taking the piss;  I'd hate to think
they were serious.

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Re: NSW Second State to Ban Nazi Symbols
Reply #38 - Aug 15th, 2022 at 9:28pm
 
It's a question Geoff.

What positive benefit do you see from the ban in terms of the popularity of right wing extremism, and how do you think the law will achieve it?
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Re: NSW Second State to Ban Nazi Symbols
Reply #39 - Aug 15th, 2022 at 9:49pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 9:24pm:

Reading the sort of comments such as those from Frank and Freediver (above)
I'm surprised at their apparent tolerance of the white supremacist's use of
the repellent symbolism of the swastika, and Nazism.

Following Nazi Germany’s defeat in 1945, subsequent German governments
continued the ban on Nazi symbols and propaganda, including the swastika.
Today in Germany and other European states, public display of Nazi symbols,
including on the Internet, is prohibited by law and individuals violating such
terms are subject to criminal proceedings.

I can only hope that these two are simply taking the piss;  I'd hate to think
they were serious.


Ignorant, parochial.


The swastika is not the same in Poland and India. Nazism is not the same in Germany, Poland, France etc that lived under it as it is in Australia, or the US or UK that defeated it.

You are ignorant. Don't flaunt it.


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Re: NSW Second State to Ban Nazi Symbols
Reply #40 - Aug 16th, 2022 at 5:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 9:28pm:
It's a question Geoff.

What positive benefit do you see from the ban in terms of the popularity of right wing extremism, and how do you think the law will achieve it?


I'd say one positive is that any Jewish Aussies will be feeling a sense of
relief that these anti-semetists won't be able to parade the swastika in
public.  Australia has the ninth largest Jewish population in the world
with an estimated 112,000 Jewish people, and many of them have direct
familial ties to victims of the holocaust—parents or grandparents.

I don't see that banning the swastika in Australia can have any effect on
the small neo-Nazi groups, which are despised by the vast majority of
rational Aussies.  It certainly won't improve their image—such as it is.

The swastika is seldom used by the larger, hard-core white supremacist
groups. This is Blair Cottrell, an Australian far-right extremist, often described
as a neo-Nazi, and former chairman and founding member of the United
Patriots Front and the Lads Society addressing his supporters.

...



And... not a swastika in sight here either.

...

The ban on the swastika in public will be easy to enforce;  the carrier is
arrested on the spot by police and taken into custody.     All too easy.



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Reply #41 - Aug 16th, 2022 at 6:15pm
 
So you don't think the banning will have any effect on any right wing groups?
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Re: NSW Second State to Ban Nazi Symbols
Reply #42 - Aug 16th, 2022 at 7:03pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2022 at 2:32pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 13th, 2022 at 2:46pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2022 at 11:02am:
...What have we actually gained from abandoning freedom of speech?

LOL... are you taking the piss?

Banning the public display of the swastika is denying freedom of speech?  Seriously?

What about jailing people for distributing 3D child pornography to receptive,
paying customers? Isn't that also denying the pornographers their freedom
of speech?  After all, they're just pictures—like the swastika—so they can't
really harm anybody can they.





This is really a stupid analogy.  Child porn is illegal, ...



And so are Nazi symbols in NSW   Smiley
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Re: NSW Second State to Ban Nazi Symbols
Reply #43 - Aug 16th, 2022 at 7:09pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 9:24pm:

Reading the sort of comments such as those from Frank and Freediver (above)
I'm surprised at their apparent tolerance of the white supremacist's use of
the repellent symbolism of the swastika, and Nazism.





Surprised?  Shocked Shocked

Oh wait, you're still fairly new here Roll Eyes
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Reply #44 - Aug 16th, 2022 at 7:11pm
 
Here's a question

If displaying the swastica is illegal in NSW, does that mean people who have it tattooed on their bodies cannot go out in public unless it;s covered?
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