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Reply #45 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 10:46pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 10:18pm:
What invasion?

Japan was already defeated.
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.


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Reply #46 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 12:25am
 
Boris wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 7:50am:
That Bomb kept the peace and kept the Commie USSR at bay.



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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #47 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 8:28am
 
Boris wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 10:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 10:18pm:
What invasion?

Japan was already defeated.
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.





Good - so you agree with me now?

you are forgiven
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #48 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 8:47am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 8:28am:
Boris wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 10:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 10:18pm:
What invasion?

Japan was already defeated.
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.





Good - so you agree with me now?

you are forgiven
namaste


The USSR was about to invade fool

Stalin called it off because of the Bombs - you total fool

The US and Britain was going to invade and 1.5 million US and British soldiers would have been killed.

The Japanese surrendered to the US because they were afraid of the USSR

The Soviet Invasion was on and was cancelled 2 days before the Surrendered

You are such an idiot
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #49 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 9:05am
 
Boris wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 8:47am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 8:28am:
Boris wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 10:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 10:18pm:
What invasion?

Japan was already defeated.
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.





Good - so you agree with me now?

you are forgiven
namaste


The USSR was about to invade fool

Stalin called it off because of the Bombs - you total fool

The US and Britain was going to invade and 1.5 million US and British soldiers would have been killed.

The Japanese surrendered to the US because they were afraid of the USSR

The Soviet Invasion was on and was cancelled 2 days before the Surrendered

You are such an idiot



You repeat Govt. lies.

You know -
if Germany would have won the war:
Churchill and bomber Harris would have been hanged?
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Reply #50 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:42pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:36pm:
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It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.


Are you just making it up as you go along?

How many lives would one more year of war have cost? Above 40 to 50 million died in WWII in total.



Hi FD,
there is plenty of revisionist literature for you to read on the web
if you want to go into it in great detail.
I don't have exact figures but anyone in this area is speculating
including me - I admit it.

Question -
if you were Truman would you have slept soundly in your bed
after ordering those 2 nuclear attacks?


Yes, but is it your own speculation?
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Reply #51 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:42pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:36pm:
Quote:
It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.


Are you just making it up as you go along?

How many lives would one more year of war have cost? Above 40 to 50 million died in WWII in total.



Hi FD,
there is plenty of revisionist literature for you to read on the web
if you want to go into it in great detail.
I don't have exact figures but anyone in this area is speculating
including me - I admit it.

Question -
if you were Truman would you have slept soundly in your bed
after ordering those 2 nuclear attacks?


Yes, but is it your own speculation?


Research would be required, but Truman may not have had full knowledge of where and when the two bombs were dropped

After the second bomb, he ordered that he must be notified before a third bomb was used. We now know a third one was not necessary


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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #52 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:17pm:
Yes, but is it your own speculation?


Yes -
I'm not the only one FD.
You need to read up on the subject -
I can help you:

https://apjjf.org/2021/20/Kuzmarov-Peace.html


Was There a Diplomatic Alternative?
The Atomic Bombing and Japan's Surrender


October 15, 2021.


One day after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, General MacArthur’s pilot, Weldon E. Rhoades, noted in his diary: “General MacArthur definitely is appalled and depressed by this ‘Frankenstein’ monster. I had a long talk with him today, necessitated by the impending trip to Okinawa.”4

Admiral Halsey, Commander of the U.S. Third Fleet, testified before Congress in September 1949, “I believe that bombing – especially atomic bombing – of civilians, is morally indefensible. . . . I know that the extermination theory has no place in a properly conducted war.”5

Admiral Leahy, Truman’s chief military advisor, wrote in his memoirs: “It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.”6

That the Japanese were on the verge of defeat was made clear to the president in a top-secret memorandum from Secretary of War Henry Stimson on July 2, 1945. Stimson noted that Japan “has no allies,” its “navy is nearly destroyed,” she is vulnerable to an economic blockade depriving her “of sufficient food and supplies for her population,” she is “terribly vulnerable to our concentrated air attack upon her crowded cities, industrial, and food resources,” she “has against her not only the Anglo-American forces but the rising forces of China and the ominous threat of Russia,” and the United States has “inexhaustible and untouched industrial resources to bring to bear against her diminishing potential.”
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #53 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:39pm
 
Russia had next to no amphibious capability to invade Japan, and USA wasn't about to provide them with any.

The A bombs saved millions of lives.

As it was, the tonnage of bombs dropped was increasing by 50% every month, when the EU bombing force arrived it was going to increase tonnage by a factor of 3.

That's just in the bombing alone. Had there been an invasion, 10 or so million Japanese probably would have died if Downfall went ahead.
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #54 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:42pm
 
Bobby I can understand why no-one would want to take credit for that speculation.
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #55 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:42pm:
Bobby I can understand why no-one would want to take credit for that speculation.



Are you saying the opinions of:

General MacArthur,
Admiral Halsey, Commander of the U.S. Third Fleet &
Admiral Leahy, Truman’s chief military advisor

are not worthy enough for you to consider?
Do you know more than them?
Please tell us?
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Reply #56 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 9:21pm
 
During the Soviet-Japanese War in August 1945, the Soviet Union made plans to invade Hokkaido, the northernmost of Japan's four main Home Islands. Opposition from the United States and doubts within the Soviet high command caused the plans to be cancelled before the invasion could begin.
Date: Planned beginning August 24, 1945
Result: Cancelled on August 22, 1945
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #57 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 9:25pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:35pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:17pm:
Yes, but is it your own speculation?


Yes -
I'm not the only one FD.
You need to read up on the subject -
I can help you:

https://apjjf.org/2021/20/Kuzmarov-Peace.html


Was There a Diplomatic Alternative?
The Atomic Bombing and Japan's Surrender


October 15, 2021.


One day after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, General MacArthur’s pilot, Weldon E. Rhoades, noted in his diary: “General MacArthur definitely is appalled and depressed by this ‘Frankenstein’ monster. I had a long talk with him today, necessitated by the impending trip to Okinawa.”4

Admiral Halsey, Commander of the U.S. Third Fleet, testified before Congress in September 1949, “I believe that bombing – especially atomic bombing – of civilians, is morally indefensible. . . . I know that the extermination theory has no place in a properly conducted war.”5

Admiral Leahy, Truman’s chief military advisor, wrote in his memoirs: “It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.”6

That the Japanese were on the verge of defeat was made clear to the president in a top-secret memorandum from Secretary of War Henry Stimson on July 2, 1945. Stimson noted that Japan “has no allies,” its “navy is nearly destroyed,” she is vulnerable to an economic blockade depriving her “of sufficient food and supplies for her population,” she is “terribly vulnerable to our concentrated air attack upon her crowded cities, industrial, and food resources,” she “has against her not only the Anglo-American forces but the rising forces of China and the ominous threat of Russia,” and the United States has “inexhaustible and untouched industrial resources to bring to bear against her diminishing potential.”


Bobby, you are sadly mistaken. MacArthur was an egotist who would willingly sacrifice others for his own ends and was angry that the use of nuclear weapons had robbed him of the chance to showcase his 'leadership' in an invasion of the home islands.  Had such an invasion gone ahead the Japanese people were prepared to resist until the death. Literally.

There were measures in place to execute all POWs and civilian internees in Japanese hands. Not only in Japan itself but in all other ares still held by  Japanese forces. There was to be total mobilisation of the entire population - every man woman and child. Look at this picture https://i2.wp.com/militaryhistorynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1024px-Kokum... or this one https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b7/54/f3/b754f36331125481cf10c91fa92632bf.jpg

This shows how committed the Japanese people were. They did not believe they were defeated and as I noted earlier, the casualties on both sides would have been horrendous.

All these lives were saved by the use of nuclear weapons. Your  'war crime' assertion is ridiculous.


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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #58 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 9:33pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:47pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:42pm:
Bobby I can understand why no-one would want to take credit for that speculation.



Are you saying the opinions of:

General MacArthur,
Admiral Halsey, Commander of the U.S. Third Fleet &
Admiral Leahy, Truman’s chief military advisor

are not worthy enough for you to consider?
Do you know more than them?
Please tell us?


No Bobby, that is not what I said. You quoted what I said.
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Re: Hiroshima
Reply #59 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 9:41pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 12:25am:
Boris wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 7:50am:
That Bomb kept the peace and kept the Commie USSR at bay.



Speaking of Winston Churchill, my Mum was a typist for him in Whitehall during the war.  Cool


What???????

You're joking...yeah?
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