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Reply #45 - Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:39pm
 
King Island still needs to run diesel despite their wind turbines and solar panels.
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Reply #46 - Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:41pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:39pm:
King Island still needs to run diesel despite their wind turbines and solar panels.


Really?
I bet it's only on the odd day here and there?
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Reply #47 - Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:34pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:31pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:26pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:14pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:12pm:
The more wind power the better, SA is running on 66% renewables,
going offshore seems like a big expence for just a few extra gigawatts when we have so much land.



The wind is offshore due to the roaring 40s -

part of the circumpolar wind system.


Is that further south than Tassie.



The Victorian coast is at a bit over 38 degrees latitude.
Tassie is well inside the 40 degrees.
Hobart is 42.9 degrees South.

So why put them in the middle of the ocean with all the swells anchors and rust etc.



Because that's where there are almost constant high winds due
to the Antarctic circumpolar winds.
If you set up a wind turbine inland there can be hardly any wind for months.

Read up on Google about the roaring 40s.

( don't feel bad - Monk didn't know about the roaring 40s either )


Do the roaring 40's just suddenly stop on Tassies west coast?
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Reply #48 - Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:55pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:45pm:
Do the roaring 40's just suddenly stop on Tassies west coast?



Tassie blocks a lot of wind so that west coast is very windy but
the east coast has less wind.
However it picks up again past Tassie due to the Earth's rotation.
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Reply #49 - Aug 11th, 2022 at 6:08pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:55pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:45pm:
Do the roaring 40's just suddenly stop on Tassies west coast?



Tassie blocks a lot of wind so that west coast is very windy but
the east coast has less wind.
However it picks up again past Tassie due to the Earth's rotation.

They could build them anywhere on the west, northwest or northern coast of Tassie or the south coast of Vic and be within that windy zone, China has the windy places in central Tassie already sown up with wind power.
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Reply #50 - Aug 11th, 2022 at 6:14pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 6:08pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:55pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:45pm:
Do the roaring 40's just suddenly stop on Tassies west coast?



Tassie blocks a lot of wind so that west coast is very windy but
the east coast has less wind.
However it picks up again past Tassie due to the Earth's rotation.


They could build them anywhere on the west, northwest or northern coast of Tassie or the south coast of Vic and be within that windy zone, China has the windy places in central Tassie already sown up with wind power.




In Victoria somewhere near Wilsons Promontory
would nearly always have high wind.
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Reply #51 - Aug 11th, 2022 at 6:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 6:14pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 6:08pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:55pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:45pm:
Do the roaring 40's just suddenly stop on Tassies west coast?



Tassie blocks a lot of wind so that west coast is very windy but
the east coast has less wind.
However it picks up again past Tassie due to the Earth's rotation.


They could build them anywhere on the west, northwest or northern coast of Tassie or the south coast of Vic and be within that windy zone, China has the windy places in central Tassie already sown up with wind power.




In Victoria somewhere near Wilsons Promontory
would nearly always have high wind.

They are magnificent machines and a testament to mankind.
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Reply #52 - Aug 11th, 2022 at 6:26pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:41pm:
I bet it's only on the odd day here and there?


"King Island, in Bass Strait, generates 50 per cent of its energy from wind and solar power"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-02/king-island-looks-to-wave-power-as-third-...

"Australian firm Hydro Tasmania said Thursday the hybrid renewable energy system it installed on King Island was able to meet its entire electricity needs for nearly 33 hours.

Hydro Tasmania’s King Island Renewable Energy Integration Project (KIREIP) combines wind, solar and biodiesel systems along with energy storage technologies such as batteries, a diesel-based Uninterruptable Power Supply (D-UPS), a smart grid and advanced control systems. Their combined output is expected to be able to meet at least 65% of local electricity demand, while also offsetting over 95% of the island’s carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.  "

https://renewablesnow.com/news/australias-king-island-runs-on-100-renewable-powe...
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Reply #53 - Aug 11th, 2022 at 7:15pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 6:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:41pm:
I bet it's only on the odd day here and there?


"King Island, in Bass Strait, generates 50 per cent of its energy from wind and solar power"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-02/king-island-looks-to-wave-power-as-third-...

"Australian firm Hydro Tasmania said Thursday the hybrid renewable energy system it installed on King Island was able to meet its entire electricity needs for nearly 33 hours.

Hydro Tasmania’s King Island Renewable Energy Integration Project (KIREIP) combines wind, solar and biodiesel systems along with energy storage technologies such as batteries, a diesel-based Uninterruptable Power Supply (D-UPS), a smart grid and advanced control systems. Their combined output is expected to be able to meet at least 65% of local electricity demand, while also offsetting over 95% of the island’s carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.  "

https://renewablesnow.com/news/australias-king-island-runs-on-100-renewable-powe...

King Island should become one big wind farm.
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Reply #54 - Aug 12th, 2022 at 7:39am
 
As big as two Harbour bridges: The giant wind farms you’ll see from the coast
Brisbane Times
August 11, 2022



Dozens of wind turbines almost twice the height of the Sydney Harbour Bridge could soon be seen off the coast of Australia after the federal government last week named six areas it hopes to declare “suitable” for the industry after years of delay. 

As Australian governments dithered over drafting regulations for Australia’s offshore wind industry, a technological revolution swept the globe. Turbines that just a few years ago towered over the landscape became gigantic, sophisticated machines that could be built on barges and floated far offshore, pumping vast amounts of energy back to land via undersea cables.


“We are way behind the game, way behind the rest of the world in producing wind off our coastline. Again, we have a lot of catching up to do. Offshore wind is jobs-rich and energy-rich,” federal Energy Minister Chris Bowen said last week, announcing which sites around the country the government viewed as suitable for offshore wind.

In the years it has taken to draft and finally approve regulations for offshore wind, the industry has exploded across Europe, Asia and now parts of North America. As the industry spread across the globe, the machines it uses to generate electricity have grown in size.

The turbines expected to be installed off Gippsland, Wollongong and Newcastle will have blades longer than 100 metres long, scraping the sky 260 metres above the waves. The top of Sydney’s Harbour Bridge is 135 metres above sea level.

Bowen confirmed that the first project seeking approval would be the Star of South, which proponents hope to build off Gippsland. Should it go ahead as planned it would be one of the world’s largest, providing up to 20 per cent of Victoria’s energy.


Why so big?
Wind turbines have grown on average by 60 per cent over the past 20 years as their builders strive to make the most of the typically stronger and more consistent winds that can be found further from the ground.



Larger turbines generate energy more cheaply too, says Andy Evans, who was the co-founder and chief executive of Star of the South and who is now leading another offshore wind farm company, OceanEx.

A single 14-megawatt wind turbine of the sort now being built needs just a single connection to a substation and less maintenance than two 7-megawatt turbines that were typical just a few years ago. Maintenance at sea with crews ferried by boat or helicopter is expensive.

Evans confirmed that the project OceanEx is championing for 20 kilometres off the coast in the Hunter region will be visible from shore on clear days, while the turbines proposed for the Illawarra could be slightly closer.


Despite this, the industry has broadly maintained community support. Friends of the Earth spokesperson Cam Walker said, given the NSW proposals were fairly new, it was difficult to gauge opinion.

“We think there is wide support for the jobs that would come with the development of an offshore industry near cities like Newcastle and Wollongong, which have traditionally relied heavily on fossil fuels for employment and economic activity,” he said. “In Gippsland, we feel that there is solid support for the Star of the South project, which is the only one that has so far advanced in the planning process.”

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Wollongong Lord Mayor Gordon Bradbery said the community welcomed energy sources that weren’t driven by fossil fuels and the proposed projects would bring significant economic benefits to the community. He added there had been some opposition within the community about the visual pollution, impact on shipping lanes and whale migrations. These will be addressed as the projects develop.

“At the same time, I think in light of [the] climate change we are experiencing – and its impact on the Illawarra and NSW coastline – I think everyone is on the same page that anything that mitigates carbon emissions [is good],” he said.


For its part, a NSW Department of Planning and Energy spokesperson said the offshore wind industry had the potential to play a significant role in achieving net-zero by 2050.

The Newcastle council has issued a mayoral minute backing the Hunter proposal.

Why not just build them on land?
Despite the extra cost of building and maintenance, there are key advantages to harvesting wind at sea – even in countries like Australia that, unlike wind-power hotspots off the coasts of Europe, have land to spare.

Giant wind turbines could be installed offshore from popular coastal spots in NSW and Victoria.
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Reply #56 - Aug 12th, 2022 at 9:02am
 
A dose of reality for those who think that vast expanses of wind turbines will be a good thing.

https://www.greensfornuclear.energy/physical-footprint-comparison/
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Reply #57 - Aug 12th, 2022 at 12:05pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Aug 12th, 2022 at 7:39am:
In the years it has taken to draft and finally approve regulations for offshore wind, the industry has exploded across Europe, Asia and now parts of North America.



Yeah and even the technically proficient Germans haven't been able to make it work. That's why they are reopening coal mines for power generation.

whiteknight wrote on Aug 12th, 2022 at 7:39am:
Maintenance at sea with crews ferried by boat or helicopter is expensive.


Just use battery powered helicopters. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #58 - Aug 13th, 2022 at 12:54pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 12:51pm:
...in 2080  they'll say that some reactor in Adelaide was built in 2020 using old technology and it should never have been built.

All modern technology becomes obsolete sooner or later. That's not an excuse for building a reactor now that's an excuse for never building one


The Lucas Heights NSW reactor was operational from 1958 to 2007, utilising highly
enriched uranium fuel, with not one single malfunction in those 50 years.  It was
superseded by the Open-pool Australian lightwater reactor, also in Lucas Heights,
with again no malfunctions in 16 years.

I agree that nuclear power stations can be an obvious target during warfare, and
that scenario could occur with the Russian attack on the Zaporizhzhia power plant.
At the moment, the Russians have 'only' shelled support building and offices, but I
guess the question is would they shell the reactor itself and effectively poop in their
own nest?


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Reply #59 - Aug 13th, 2022 at 1:01pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Aug 13th, 2022 at 12:54pm:
The Lucas Heights NSW reactor was operational from 1958 to 2007, utilising highly
enriched uranium fuel, with not one single malfunction in those 50 years.  It was
superseded by the Open-pool Australian lightwater reactor, also in Lucas Heights,
with again no malfunctions in 16 years.



One example doesn't prove what I said is wrong.
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