Frank wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 9:51pm:


I agree the concept of nation building imposed by a separate voice within the nation is false.  Nation building can only be achieved by the nation's government managing the nation's productivity for all. 

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Yes...well I won't read on because I have already rejected the premise.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 11:56pm:



Macroeconomics: the study of the national production and distribution of goods and services.

Everything to do with every citizen's well-being.


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Just so you know something about market-determined  'value' : an abo employed to care for country may be  worth infinitely more than the CEO of Coca-cola; the former may assist in maintaining the environment's health, while the latter is responsible for the diabetes and obesity epidemic ravaging the nation, especially among abos requiring dialysis treatment. 

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 9:09am:


Wow graps, good to see you "thinking" ....

The real issues are the gap. 

Supporters of the voice think the voice will eradicate the gap. 

They are wrong, because it all comes down to effective government intervention and the funding required to implement the necessary policies to eradicate the gap.

But at least they will have to face the fact they don't want to fund effective intervention. 

That's when "the last taboo about how money is created" (Gareth Hutchens,  on the central bank review currently underway) might finally be exploded....

(though a voice might assist in identifying some of the required policies).   

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I linked the vote compass poll showing majority support for the voice, where's your poll from a recognized polling agency? 

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Er. Albo plans to put it to a referendum... no plans to "implement it from above" 

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Message to graps: not everyone** thinks the same as you re 'women's advantages'.
**even "women who want to be women" think pregnancy tests should be on the medicare list of items.

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Relax graps. It'll do more good than harm, if the Oz electorate votes yes in the referendum. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 12:29pm:



Ah - so not agreeing with you is 'non-thinking' - how drearily 1984 of you.

'no more harm than good' - ergo - no good will come of it and the potential harm has not been considered, as usual - we should spend $500m to alter the constitution to set in concrete discrimination and a shadow government.

It's good to see you 'thinking' - but you are way off beam.

WTF does wanting a pregnancy test have to do with REAL discrimination?  Does sexual dysfunction go on the Medicare - do countless other things?  You can buy a preggers test at the chemist's...

If that's all women have to worry about - they have no problems..... and do you know what?  As for 'concentrated in the lower paid and often caring occupations' - just WTF do you imagine are the best jobs in most country areas?  Workin' at the hospital, on the council, in retail, in real estate - where women are by far the vast majority and men can scarcely get a look in.

What on earth are you basing your argument on about 'poor, poor women' this time?  the simple reality is that there is a national wage case and negotiated wage increases from time to time as well... and in each category of work NOBODY can be legally reduced in income below the specified amount per hour worked....

Find something better to work on.. some REAL issue for women these days..... with the preferential schooling, the never-ending scholarships at uni, the preference for placement in courses, the shoe-horning into areas they are little interested in, their majority presence in courses while still being treated as a 'minority' (???), the gifts of 'governor' jobs and high public servant positions based on affirmative action over the years and some weird concept of restoring some historical imbalance long dead...

What IS your problem with men being restored to a genuine equal opportunity and genuine affirmative action going to clear cases of genuine need as opposed to giving certain demographics endless AA for life?  they've had it since 1982 - that's forty years now, sonny - older than you, it seems... when do you think AA should be abolished in favour of genuine equal opportunity on genuine merit and performance?

Now - WHAT are the REAL issues for women these days, pray tell?

Best you stick to the Lord of The Flies in your 'thinking' - "Kill the Boomers - Drink Their Blood!"

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 2:49pm:


They have as much self-determination as everyone else, and you hit the nail on the head - they want to be a separate nation and government within government, and silly Labor is trying to herd us that way and ed3estroy the constitution.

Geoffrey Robertson said that the birth of Australia meant that they didn't put in a set of basic rights in our constitution - but do not make the mistake of thinking that we are talking about Indigenous Rights here - we are talking here about special privilege and power within government for the very minority Indigenous.  As has been said about Rights times many - to be a Right a Right must apply equally to every citizen... all else is privilege accorded via ethnic or racial or religious or gender group.... and shall not pass.  To offer rights disguised as Rights to the Indigenous will cause endless troubles.... like that foolish apology - just the beginning - not the end.

I'm sure Labor will seek some sneaky way of ensuring that only its favoured votes come through - nah - it can't be a referendum unless everyone gets the same chance to vote.... including the Abonobos who got it in 1967 and can vote equally on the issue....

One for divide - HOW exactly will it do good?  What will it do for them and their problems?  Other than create an endless list of demands and disputes that will end with someone or ones being killed..... once you over-Entitle™ group they feel Entitled™ to everything... as feminism™ has shown us ever so clearly, and fools continue to swallow the 'official' line of poor, poor women without reference to facts and realities.

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By having a government appointed stooge speak on their behalf?

no

There is a poll on it, khunt.