Karnal wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 6:51pm:



Very stupid gibberish, khunt.  The constitution, the political system, representation, making laws - and amending them - are a real, actual matters for now, for all of us and will require an actual decision from us, here, now.

Your carrying on like a Lidia Thorpe is just acting like a silly bint.

Gnads wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 5:41pm:


my comment was about those on this forum. Just look at any of crapplers comments if you want an example

For mentally insufficient, unstable and decidedly slow Smith, here is the news to date:-

Aborigines etc already have all the voice they need same as everyone else.

They already have a higher percentage of representation in Parliament than their percentage representation in the community.

They are already enshrined in the constitution as Australians - same as everyone else.

They also have lobby groups, special representative groups with access to government, and over-representation in the press.

They have the support of Labor, the Greens, the majority of Independents, as well as a number of those on the 'right' side of Parliament.

What the actual powers and functions of any Special Voice are intended to be has not begun to be addressed.  The wording is vague, perhaps deliberately so.

Such a voice is racist, discriminatory and exclusionist.

It is not clear if any 'voice' has political voting power in Parliament.

Such a voice body would be an ATSIC or similar that could never be abolished or stood down for corruption etc.

It will achieve nothing that cannot be achieved without it, and at huge and unnecessary cost in money and disturbance of the democratic process

The intent of 'Aboriginal activists' is not to view this as the end result, but as the stepping stone towards the creation of mini-states throughout Australia, all bound by treaty to the Australian Government and funded by the taxpayer and any relevant business wishing to operate there.

It is not simply about 'Aboriginal issues'.  Any claim or demand by one group has direct effects on every member of Australia.  Similar to 'women's issues' and such these do not exist in a vacuum.

Depending on the model, it could mean permanent seats in Parliament for people who are only voted on by that one group (or groups) – those claiming Aboriginal descent.

To have a separate voice elected only by Aboriginals would mean that the current Aboriginal elected representatives are superfluous and should be stood down.

The claim to have 'never ceded sovereignty', means that elected Aborigines are ineligible to be chosen or to sit in Parliament.

44. Any person who –

(i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power:

shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.

Further – Albo's speech:-

It would also be critical to delete the words “and the executive government” from the proposed second sentence. Voice activists have spoken about a “voice to parliament” arguing that commenting on proposed bills before parliament is modest in scope.

Extending the reach of this body to everything done by executive government means it could permanently second-guess everything that passed across the desk of ministers or public servants. This extension is an act of massive overreach that will radically change our system of government.

John Smith wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 7:34pm:


Try to keep up and stop wasting everyone's time with your stupid comments....

Nah then - there is NO REFERENDUM FOR ANYONE YET... dopey.... Jesus you're slow.... the question is will it ever happen.. now go sit in the naughty corner while the adults look at the issue.... and decide if rthey want to accept a pig in a poke with no real details or not....

It is, after all in this democratic society - their right to choose for themselves.  Now shut up and if you have any problems go back and read the links I've posted in impartial good faith for discussion and try to address the facts, you moron.

Keep trying to be as smart as Lefty and you'll go the same way... now grow up.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 7:16pm:


I believe they were all subjects of the Queen, dear.

You?

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 8:05pm:


I have my list...  he's on the run now ... one of the others snipes and gets out of Dodge before the retaliatory artillery zeroes in..... that's a chick thing.... the other sometimes drinks too much... they think I don't understand their tactics.... I learned tactics from harder task masters than these...