On the weekend, the Prime Minister unveiled possible wording that may be put to Australians: “There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander voice. The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander voice may make representations to parliament and the executive government on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. The parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to the composition, functions, powers and procedures of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander voice.”

If the Liberals were focused on today’s principles, not tomorrow’s minutiae, they would point out that inserting a comma and two additional words is critical: namely the words “and abolition” after “procedures”.  That way, any untested race-based body is subject to parliament. That is the core feature of our system of government.

It would also be critical to delete the words “and the executive government” from the proposed second sentence. Voice activists have spoken about a “voice to parliament” arguing that commenting on proposed bills before parliament is modest in scope.

Extending the reach of this body to everything done by executive government means it could permanently second-guess everything that passed across the desk of ministers or public servants. This extension is an act of massive overreach that will radically change our system of government.

The only safe way to ensure this novel Indigenous body does not become a governance disaster of unholy scale is to give parliament the ultimate control to abolish it.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/libs-left-limp-as-voice-poses-legal-nightmare/news-story/aaaa60d52dfb2d8a41d936231fcc8caa

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 10:45pm:


my parents are very different to yours crappler. Just because yours are ashamed of you, that doesn't mean all parents are like that

Since they're going to spend the money on a referendum, they should add more questions

starting with 'Should Australia become a republic'

John Smith wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 12:52pm:


Clearly they don't see how you behave on here... bet they never do.


Well - the Paw Stroll - sorry - that's dog walking - Straw Poll up there is hardly encouraging now that people are having a think about it.  AlboCorp were hoping it would all just go through unconsidered like the gay phone booth job and many would vote without actually thinking about it....  sort of a 'yeah, why not' response from the unthinking.

78.6% say NO!!  Hmmm.... maybe run one of these a fortnight to see how she's going....

No thoughts on this apparent idea of a structure of (but not the actual rights and prerogatives of) this Voice as mooted in that final solution report?  Still vague... though I did notice that on the right of the graph government etc could offer advice non-binding.....  hmmmm ... let's just be honest here and say everyone can offer advice - but none of it is binding on anyone else.

So what do you reckon the inevitable reaction is if and when the advice of the Voice body is overlooked or refused or not considered sufficient to alter a program?

I see nothing but trouble coming from this silly idea.

Maybe I should force feed you all this for consideration:-

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 2:53pm:


and yours are ashamed of you because they do see what you write here? 

John Smith wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 3:38pm:



The other groups are not enshrined in the Constitution and aren't so petulant when their desires are not met fully... they are lobby groups with no official standing in government.... this is a different kettle of fish.... this is a wedge in the door to too much power to one small group, and it will lead to vetos and endless squabbles and name-calling when their desires aren't met.

Don't read too well, do you, stupid?  They want to not only advise Parliament with non-abiding stuff - you know just offer a point of view quietly ...they also want direct access to decision making in Minister's offices and public service... and you've just seen how that can work out with BariloLaffs..... and when their desires are not met they will carry on and on and on, and idiots like you will join in online while doing nothing for them or anyone else.... nothing but a loud-mouthed swamp-running Niqqer-lover (courtesy of Morgan Freeman in Glory)....

Why are you so stupid, Smith?  So twisted up in desperately trying to be relevant by being a nasty little blow-in shame to your good parents that you can't see anything else?  Why don't you just bring Lefty back - he's manic mad and goes on and on ... and when we smarter folk sit back and goad him he bursts his boiler....  got him on a string... and you?  Never one thing to add.

John Smith wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 4:54pm:



Stick to the issue smith - you're not good at anything else, and you're making waves, not headway... keep it up... freediver might notice.  It's not as if we need you here for anything.

Hmm - now only 75% against... oh, well... I said the Voice won't get up...