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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1590 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 12:22pm

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers been doing since 1968?

A question about THAT should be asked.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers been doing since 1968?

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And that's just the federal ministers.

Ask also about state and territory ministers, local councils, Aboriginal land councils, cooperatives, university departments, artists, writers, singers, rappers, magistrates etc.

These should ALL BE SACKED ASAP and a Royal Commission needs to be held so as to examine WHY they have sat around rorting the system and thieving tax payers money for decades!

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1591 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 12:26pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 12:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers been doing since 1968?

A question about THAT should be asked.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers been doing since 1968?

https://media.tenor.com/bm8Q6yAlsPsAAAAi/verified.gif

And that's just the federal ministers.

Ask also about state and territory ministers, local councils, Aboriginal land councils, cooperatives, university departments, artists, writers, singers, rappers, magistrates etc.

These should ALL BE SACKED ASAP and a Royal Commission needs to be held so as to examine WHY they have sat around rorting the system and thieving tax payers money for decades!

Because White Fella is a resource to Aborigines.

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Reply #1592 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 1:35pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 12:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers been doing since 1968?

A question about THAT should be asked.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers been doing since 1968?

https://media.tenor.com/bm8Q6yAlsPsAAAAi/verified.gif

And that's just the federal ministers.

Ask also about state and territory ministers, local councils, Aboriginal land councils, cooperatives, university departments, artists, writers, singers, rappers, magistrates etc.

These should ALL BE SACKED ASAP and a Royal Commission needs to be held so as to examine WHY they have sat around rorting the system and thieving tax payers money for decades!

That's the problem with the current central bank orthodoxy: the currency-issuing government doesn't need your "taxpayer money", it can create it's own 'public money' for free without causing inflation, so long as the resources the government wants are available for purchase.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-24/rba-review-will-it-consider-how-money-is-...

It's the last taboo in central banking. So will the RBA review look at how money is created?

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1593 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 3:05pm

........... and the Academy Award for Non-Sequitor Of The Year goes to .................. the contenders are ........"I Have No Voice!" ....... "Australia Simply Burning" ....... "Hearts And Minds Of Darkness" .................. and "Continental Bank Divide" .......................
and the winner is......."Continental Bank Divide"!!!! .......

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Reply #1594 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 3:09pm

Just to cut this endless repetition and silliness short - the question about a voice has been posed - and the NO vote is growing daily as expected. With every passing day and rabid declaration and revelation of what the real demands are - the chances of it getting up grow tinier and tinier.....

Now then what about that Waitangi Tribunal.... advisory you say? Well, well.....

https://ipa.org.au/ipa-today/the-voice-to-parliament-an-analysis-of-the-new-zeal...

What I'd like to see here is his actual working and analysis of events since this tribunal came into existence... I'm growing tired of rhetoric from all sides....

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88356 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1595 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 3:20pm This might 'elp - I'm not quite ready to indulge in the in-depth analysis and review of its contents - so go for it alone... today is one week from my hospital admission near death... thank you all for asking...... https://www.unswlawjournal.unsw.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/16-1-4.pdf
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Reply #1596 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 4:20pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 3:20pm:

This might 'elp - I'm not quite ready to indulge in the in-depth analysis and review of its contents - so go for it alone... today is one week from my hospital admission near death... thank you all for asking......

https://www.unswlawjournal.unsw.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/16-1-4.pdf

"Wer weiss, wie nahe mir mein Ende" (BWV 27)

Travel well: meantime the voice will be harmless, as it is in NZ, provided money isn't wasted on a new bureaucracy. (I too don't want to examine the article's likely scholarly dissertations on sovereignty and the like....)

Perhaps you can get on board with those waking up to the fact the financial system is rotten:

Ross Gittins
OPINION
Interest rates: Lowe’s not the problem, the system is rotten

...though Lowe is signed up to central bank orthodoxy, so he IS part of the problem.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/interest-rates-lowe-s-not-the-proble...

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1597 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 5:21pm

I'm more than aware that the financial system is rotten - but I prefer to fight on only one front at a time.... I will not have my men spread around in penny packets to block every tiny hole, and thus lose the benefits of their training and experience and the ability to strike back when the time is right.

Anyway - the voice is taking on more of a resemblance to the Bismarck every day...

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Reply #1598 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 7:24pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 10:15am:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 9:25am:

Why do we need to change our Constitution for a race based advisory body?

Good question. Looking at the constitutional change in 1967:

On 27 May 1967, Australians voted to change the Constitution so that like all other Australians, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples would be counted as part of the population and the Commonwealth would be able to make laws for them.

So aboriginals are already in the same situation as other Australians, vis a vis the constitution.

The difference on the ground is the egregious gap.

You are correct: we don't need a constitutional change, we need the government to act to eradicate poverty.

So you agree a constitutional change based on race is unwarranted?

So in a thread about a race based voice to parliament your other means of closing the gap are actually irrelevant.

Not that you haven't espoused them everywhere else....

but technically speaking you haven't addressed the issue .....

are you fore or agin?

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88356 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1599 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 7:38pm Now that we've again got that far - what are our first steps? Chop off the grog, round 'em up, put 'em through processing in the gulag until their minds are right, then ship 'em all out to where the jobs are....
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Reply #1600 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 8:54pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 7:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 10:15am:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 9:25am:

Why do we need to change our Constitution for a race based advisory body?

Good question. Looking at the constitutional change in 1967:

On 27 May 1967, Australians voted to change the Constitution so that like all other Australians, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples would be counted as part of the population and the Commonwealth would be able to make laws for them.

So aboriginals are already in the same situation as other Australians, vis a vis the constitution.

The difference on the ground is the egregious gap.

You are correct: we don't need a constitutional change, we need the government to act to eradicate poverty.

So you agree a constitutional change based on race is unwarranted?

Well, after the '67 change, yes.

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So in a thread about a race based voice to parliament your other means of closing the gap are actually irrelevant.

Yes, but the racist views expressed by yourself and others are egregious (black bludgers, etc etc.)

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Not that you haven't espoused them everywhere else....

but technically speaking you haven't addressed the issue .....are you fore or agin?

I'll vote yes, so everyone, including blacks, will eventually have to face the real solutions required to close the gap (ie, non-stop delivery of training, education, and jobs in communities).

If the voice isn't passed, the slow-learners will continue to blame the lack of a voice for the continuing gap.

Interesting views from Andrew Forrest:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/andrew-forrest-says-signing-yindjibarndi...

Andrew Forrest says signing Yindjibarndi royalty agreement will lead to Alice Springs style chaos
1h ago

He's correct: royalty cash - like 'sit-down money' ("welfare") - is a disastrous alternative to waged-employment requiring sobriety as part of the deal.

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Reply #1601 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 10:04pm

"If the voice isn't passed, the slow-learners will continue to blame the lack of a voice for the continuing gap. "

Sounds flimsy to me - why would they ever need that much motivation or reason to lay blame? If you take away all reasons for blame they will simply find another... the feminists taught 'em that ....

Long, long ago in a faraway mind fart:-

:"We want an Apology!"

**Rudd accepts the knee to the throat from the losers of their wars**

"We're sorry!"

"NOT GOOD ENOUGH! We demand a voice and a treaty and land rights to own anything we claim and no problems from you lot! Count yourselves lucky - you pharken 97%-ers - some of us want you OUT of this country!"

**Albo takes the knee to the throat from the losers -again - and pushes for a 'voice', which we all know will not just be advisory and which we know will start the push for some mythical treaty to favour the losers again**

**Thorpe officially declares the war that has been going on since that Tarneen whale down in Melbadishu ordered her minions to burn the place to the ground**

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Reply #1602 - Feb 16^th, 2023 at 12:06pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

"If the voice isn't passed, the slow-learners will continue to blame the lack of a voice for the continuing gap. "

Sounds flimsy to me - why would they ever need that much motivation or reason to lay blame? If you take away all reasons for blame they will simply find another... the feminists taught 'em that ....

So long as the gap remains, the slow learners will always be confronted with that fact (of the gap).

Note: the ills associated with welfare-dependency (w-d) are easier to hide in the non-black community, because w-d affects a smaller proportion of the much larger non-black community; the gap is exposing the ills of w-d in a particularly dramatic, race-based fashion.

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**Thorpe officially declares the war that has been going on since that Tarneen whale down in Melbadishu ordered her minions to burn the place to the ground**

I believe retired Justice French recently confirmed the voice will have no implications for sovereignty. Thorpe can desire black sovereignty all she like, it won't happen.

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https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/voice-is-low-risk-but-high-return-20230201-p5ch8e

"That is not a constitutional legal obligation. The composition of the Voice is left to the parliament. It is, again, a powerful democratic expectation given the functions of the Voice. There would be nothing to prevent the submission of different views of those who disagreed with a particular representation made by the Voice.

There is little or no scope for constitutional litigation arising from the words of the proposed amendment. The amendment is facilitative and empowering. Parliament cannot legally be compelled to make laws for the Voice. It cannot be compelled to make a particular kind of law. Nor can it be prevented from repealing or amending the laws it makes".

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1603 - Feb 16^th, 2023 at 12:08pm I’m voting no!
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Captain Caveman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6211 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1604 - Feb 16^th, 2023 at 12:12pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 12:08pm: I’m voting no! Everyone could vote no, but it will still go ahead, and the media will print that it was an overwhelming yes.
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