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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #540 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 4:37pm

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 12:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:15am:

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 9:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 6:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 6:19pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 5:48pm:

no

There is a poll on it, khunt.

why bother with the poll? This forum is full of racist rednecks and you ban people who disagree with you.

Luckily for Australia this forum is not representative of the general community Roll Eyes

Why bother voting in it John?

because thats the only way to see the results.

Why bother seeing the results John? You're not, uh, interested in what others think by any chance?

Who said I'm not interested in seeing it? I've always been a curious sort of fellow.

You're welcome.

My curiosity doesn't make it any less pointless

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Grappler Truth Teller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87095 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #541 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 6:21pm You can always wait until the poll finishes and look.....
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13820 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #542 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 7:39pm Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 6:21pm: You can always wait until the poll finishes and look..... What is this "poll" you are referring to? Please don't say the ozpolitic poll....
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #543 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

You can always wait until the poll finishes and look.....

What is this "poll" you are referring to?

Please don't say the ozpolitic poll....

The one up above? That's what Smith is discussing - stick with the subject... read back... don't always jump to conclusions. As valid as any other poll of a small minority group of respondents......

Go read comments on Twitter and other media - the overwhelming response is NO.....

Always was NO - always will be NO... now go prepare to riot in the streets over the Indigenous not being handed a special privilege not enjoyed by anyone else.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 50422 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #544 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 9:49am Real debate, not a conga line of nodders, as on the ABC. Another example of the Left want you to shut up while conservatives want to debate and convince. Bolt versus Kenny on the Voice. As Bolt says, you could never see such a debate on the ABC.
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #545 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 11:23am

Well - I don't consider myself a 'conservative' in any way, but I have to agree that full and open and transparent debate on all the issues relevant is needed before any such massive change is even mooted, let alone set in train based on the tiny minority view.

I'm Indigenous..... since 1854 ..... anyway - one thing in 'debate' that turns me off rapidly is this desperate and frankly hysterical seeking to talk over and shout down the other person... bombard with a whole series of assertions without proof, ignore and refuse to respond to points raised by the 'other' side, and thus seek to 'win' the debate. My idea of learned debate is that one side gets to state its view and the other gets to reply or respond.

Like certain users here - the entire thread of any debate is lost when all that happens is that one 'side' shouts over the other.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #546 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:36pm

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 9:49am:

Real debate, not a conga line of nodders, as on the ABC. Another example of the Left want you to shut up while conservatives want to debate and convince. Bolt versus Kenny on the Voice. As Bolt says, you could never see such a debate on the ABC.

Well I'll have a look at Bolt-Kenny, and point out their errors in due course. But on this issue I expect an ABC audience is closer to majority Oz opinion than Sky News, because the Lab/Green/Ind majority in parliament no doubt reflects the Oz electorate's opinion re the voice.

.......

so ..listening up to 2.33: Kenny has put the argument FOR a voice very well, let's see Bolt's objections:

Up to 3.03: Bolt is talking over Kenny(!) who is still supporting the voice, but now Kenny is going to identify what he considers are "sensible" abo voices like Price and Dodson....

Continuing: far out, I didn't think I would see Kenny demand to be heard, to explain there are complex reasons for aboriginal disadvantage. Bolt is pushing his old line that aboriginality is a fluid concept , which is correct, but as Kenny rightly observes the gap relating to abos is a real phenomenon regardless of definitions of aboriginality.

7.36: Bolt is asking where is the funding; and saying there is no guarantee the voice will not morph into more than an advisory voice. (The debate on ozpolitic has covered all these issues)

Continuing..you call this debate? Bolt is talking over Kenny. That doesn't happen on Q&A (mostly).
So Bolt doesn't trust a high court judge reading of the constitution...Bolt is worried by point 3 which says parliament can authorize such spending as it sees fit,but Kenny notes this is under point 2 which says 'parliament has the power to legislate for abos'.

Ah... so Bolt is saying Albo wants this voice to have the power to authorize spending on behalf of abos.

I believe that is wrong, the proposed advisory voice doesn't have that power, which is also Kenny' opinion.

Appears the main reason for the Kenny-Bolt debate was to belittle the ABC: Bolt concludes with "why doesn't the ABC have debates like this"?

Admittedly the ABC does have a very centrist or rather mainstream stance on many issues, which can be a pain in the ass; though I heard a vigorous defense of China's response to Perlosi's Taiwan visit on RN this morning...most un-mainstream....

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #548 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:45pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 4:37pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 12:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:15am:

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 9:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 6:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 6:19pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 5:48pm:

no

There is a poll on it, khunt.

why bother with the poll? This forum is full of racist rednecks and you ban people who disagree with you.

Luckily for Australia this forum is not representative of the general community Roll Eyes

Why bother voting in it John?

because thats the only way to see the results.

Why bother seeing the results John? You're not, uh, interested in what others think by any chance?

Who said I'm not interested in seeing it? I've always been a curious sort of fellow.

You're welcome.

My curiosity doesn't make it any less pointless

In your case it definitely does! 😂😆🤣

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #549 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:46pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

You can always wait until the poll finishes and look.....

What is this "poll" you are referring to?

Please don't say the ozpolitic poll....

The one up above? That's what Smith is discussing - stick with the subject... read back... don't always jump to conclusions. As valid as any other poll of a small minority group of respondents......

Go read comments on Twitter and other media - the overwhelming response is NO.....

Always was NO - always will be NO... now go prepare to riot in the streets over the Indigenous not being handed a special privilege not enjoyed by anyone else.

NO. NO NO NO.

Always no, no?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #550 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:46pm thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 7:39pm: Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 6:21pm: You can always wait until the poll finishes and look..... What is this "poll" you are referring to? Please don't say the ozpolitic poll.... 😂😆🤣 71% voted NO! So what?
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #551 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:47pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

You can always wait until the poll finishes and look.....

What is this "poll" you are referring to?

Please don't say the ozpolitic poll....

The one up above? That's what Smith is discussing - stick with the subject... read back... don't always jump to conclusions. As valid as any other poll of a small minority group of respondents......

Go read comments on Twitter and other media - the overwhelming response is NO.....

Always was NO - always will be NO... now go prepare to riot in the streets over the Indigenous not being handed a special privilege not enjoyed by anyone else.

NO. NO NO NO.

Always no, no?

Should you be using another id whilst banned Groggy?

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #552 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:55pm

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 9:49am:

Real debate, not a conga line of nodders, as on the ABC. Another example of the Left want you to shut up while conservatives want to debate and convince. Bolt versus Kenny on the Voice. As Bolt says, you could never see such a debate on the ABC.

Oh, I don't know about that. Here's an ABC report on Bolt, old boy.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-28/bolt-found-guilty-of-breaching-discrimina...

Can I say that?

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #553 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:57pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

You can always wait until the poll finishes and look.....

What is this "poll" you are referring to?

Please don't say the ozpolitic poll....

The one up above? That's what Smith is discussing - stick with the subject... read back... don't always jump to conclusions. As valid as any other poll of a small minority group of respondents......

Go read comments on Twitter and other media - the overwhelming response is NO.....

Always was NO - always will be NO... now go prepare to riot in the streets over the Indigenous not being handed a special privilege not enjoyed by anyone else.

NO. NO NO NO.

Always no, no?

Should you be using another id whilst banned Groggy?

Oi!

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #554 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:57pm

[color=#ffffff][/color]thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:36pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 9:49am:

Real debate, not a conga line of nodders, as on the ABC. Another example of the Left want you to shut up while conservatives want to debate and convince. Bolt versus Kenny on the Voice. As Bolt says, you could never see such a debate on the ABC.

Well I'll have a look at Bolt-Kenny, and point out their errors in due course. But on this issue I expect an ABC audience is closer to majority Oz opinion than Sky News, because the Lab/Green/Ind majority in parliament no doubt reflects the Oz electorate's opinion re the voice.

Constitutional amendment will need majority of voters in the majority of states.

What kind of representation the Voice will be able to make that e listing parliamentarians, departments of Aboriginal affairs , state and federal, and various other peak bodies can't remains a mystery.

How will the majority endorse a mystery?

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