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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #30 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 2:44pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 12:38am:

I'm a pretty dopey old prick, so I have no idea what this actually means
in any sort of practical sense?

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"Do you support an alteration to the constitution that establishes
an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice?"

What we DO need here is a referendum on becoming a republic

. The abos
are more than competent in establishing their own "voice"—whatever the
ferk that means.

That's the first thought that come into my mind, leave it till the republic comes about, then the whole constitution can be re-written to include everyone, plus many other changes relating to equal freedom for all, genuine freedom that is, not just Lib Lab freedom

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #31 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 3:33pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 8:34am:

I expect it will mean someone will do a welcome to country speech at the opening of each parliament, and be appointed by parliament to tell them whatever they want to hear about aborigines needing the government to do something. It will absolve politicians of the need to take any responsibility for their decisions - "it's not our fault, the voice told us to do it". Then we can blame the aborigines for the racist games our politicians play.

Just like every other aboriginal "representative" body that has ever been appointed.

That's a cunning plan, worthy of Blackadder.

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Reply #32 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 5:18pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 7:33am:

mothra wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:45am:

I don't think anyone's ever called you a racist Horseboy.

What we call you is a simpleton.

A virtue-signalling simpleton at that.

sometimes simpletons who arent "stuck in their heads" have a better perspective of reality

pity for you you're not one of those ones.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77232 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #33 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 5:20pm I knew all the bigots on here would get themselves into a lather over this
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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #34 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 5:35pm The voice = more VB less work (if that's possible) more free housing (for them) more bush retreats with better facilities (bottle shops etc) less jail time for crime than anyone else, more new Land Cruisers mining rights sacred sites fishing rights etc... Don't bother voting, it will be rigged.
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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77232 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #35 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 5:37pm I'll bet ^^^^^^^ has a fridge full of VB
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44382	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #36 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:00pm A referendum means the Australian public gets to decide, just as they did in 1967. Hopefully, just as in 1967, they will decide in the affirmative and refute the Racists and put them back in their places, under the rock from which they crawled.
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #37 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

A referendum means the Australian public gets to decide, just as they did in 1967. Hopefully, just as in 1967, they will decide in the affirmative and refute the Racists and put them back in their places, under the rock from which they crawled. Roll Eyes

All this without even knowing what you'll be voting in the affirmative for.

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Reply #38 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:41pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 12:38am:

I'm a pretty dopey old prick, so I have no idea what this actually means
in any sort of practical sense?

Quote:

"Do you support an alteration to the constitution that establishes
an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice?"

What we DO need here is a referendum on becoming a republic. The abos
are more than competent in establishing their own "voice"—whatever thferk that means.

After listening to Albo's speech today, I'm going to vote in the affirmative....even though I don't believe in a separate "voice" based on race.

But I do believe in a voice for the voiceless, regardless of race.

And after the referendum is passed, it will soon become clear to everyone that a voice calling for "decency" (ie, overcoming entrenched disadvantage and poverty) will be ineffective, without a change to the current system of funding government via borrowing from private financiers...and taxes on private citizens.

I can hardly wait.

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Reply #39 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:42pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

A referendum means the Australian public gets to decide, just as they did in 1967. Hopefully, just as in 1967, they will decide in the affirmative and refute the Racists and put them back in their places, under the rock from which they crawled. Roll Eyes

All this without even knowing what you'll be voting in the affirmative for.

Doesn't matter, see #38. You will be voting for a "voice".

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111810 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #40 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:44pm We don't need Abbos telling us what to do - they've already received 100s of $billions in handouts - that's already a good deal for them. They can just shut up and hold their hands out for more free money.
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Reply #41 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:49pm

'voice for the voiceless' ... FCS - do you even know anything?

Grin

They've got more voices per capita than anyone else in this nation... if you want to swallow propaganda, go for it....

"Aborigines etc already have all the voice they need same as everyone else.

They already have a higher percentage of representation in Parliament than their percentage representation in the community.

They are already enshrined in the constitution as Australians - same as everyone else.

They also have lobby groups, special representative groups with access to government, and over-representation in the press.

They have the support of Labor, the Greens, the majority of Independents, as well as a number of those on the 'right' side of Parliament."

Where's this voiceless?

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Reply #42 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:44pm:

We don't need Abbos telling us what to do -
they've already received 100s of $billions in handouts -
that's already a good deal for them.

They can just shut up and hold their hands out for more free money

Albo acknowledged that today, and also noted the total failure of that money to close the gap....

Albo thinks the voice will change things; he is wrong, but at least the existence of an enshrined voice will finally reveal we have a systems problem, and point government in the right direction, ie changing the current neoliberal system which crushes those least able to compete in a market economy.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #43 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 7:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

A referendum means the Australian public gets to decide, just as they did in 1967. Hopefully, just as in 1967, they will decide in the affirmative and refute the Racists and put them back in their places, under the rock from which they crawled. Roll Eyes

Smart arse

Aboriginals became citizens in 1967, just like the rest of us

Any special voice should only be for the protection of rock art and the like, associated with their culture. But they already have avenues to pursue political issues

Albosqueaky is only big-noting himself and trying to score political points

This "Voice" thing could be voted down until we make changes, re: republic ... Squeaky's cabinet has a Minister for "Republic"

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #44 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 7:04pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:49pm:

'voice for the voiceless' ... FCS - do you even know anything?

Grin

They've got more voices per capita than anyone else in this nation... if you want to swallow propaganda, go for it....

After listening to Albo's speech today, I'm going to vote in the affirmative....even though I don't believe in a separate "voice" based on race.

One thing is certain: those subject to generational poverty (regardless of race) don't have a voice, partly because economic ideologues like you claim we can all equally successfully compete in a neoliberal economy. You are about to be exposed (when the referendum passes, and the houses still aren't being repaired....and white people are still laying in their faeces in nursing homes...)

Hence I do believe in a voice for the voiceless, regardless of race.

And after the referendum is passed, it will soon become clear to everyone that a voice calling for "decency" (ie, overcoming entrenched disadvantage and poverty) will be ineffective, without a change to the current system of funding government via borrowing from private financiers...and taxes on private citizens.

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Question: Will you vote for a separate Aboriginal Voice in Parliament?
YES 11 (28.9%) NO 27 (71.1%) Total votes: 38 « Created by: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM on: Jul 30^th, 2022 at 7:27pm »