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Reply #405 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Ethnic and religious identity is predicated on ancient tradition and is the most tenacious of human activity.

Where is Boudica's ethnic and religious identity today? (her's was much later than aboriginal culture, but assimilated by successive waves of conquest.

Not to mention her iron age pre-literate economy...

So, destruction of ethno-cultural identity by conquest is what you're advocating.

Why did you make that wrong conclusion to what I said? Which was:

"we can look forward to passage of time and assimilation to render permanent representation of that culture superfluous".

And I'm saying representation of cultural and ethnic traditions will never be rendered superfluous.

Unless, as you imply, it's done via cultural genocide by conquest; as the CCP is practising in Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia.

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Reply #406 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:37pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:15pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:09pm:

Oh - the Basques occupy in majority a clear area of Spain - they are not scattered across the whole country in twos and threes ... over to you.... I offered the Cheers a Noweto homeland of their own where they can 'do things their way' to their heart's content..... have their own passport and national identity and all that, their own laws .... the thing they can't have is ownership of all Australia now... it's gone with the wind..... they are the minority..... no tail wags the dog...

Put that in your pipe and smoke it .... you youngies are so easy... so easy you don't begin to even know it...

As the English did to the Scots at the turn of the 18th century.

Geriatric sensibility is ineradicable. You are the recipient of the white trash cultural milieu you were born into.

As already - there is no comparison between Scotland/England and our Aborigines... repeating your lost argument will not alter that.

Woke sensibility is ineradicable. You are the recipient of the every trash cultural milieu you were born into.

You dare to say that I am possessed by my own superiority - look at your comments from the moment I had you on the ropes... like so many other twerps - straight onto the personal attack and forget the issues. YOU are so certain of your own mental superiority and moral superiority that you arbitrarily consign every person with a differing view to some mythical group of 'white trash'... you seriously need to grow up, and you are not alone in that.

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Reply #407 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:43pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:29pm:

And I'm saying representation of cultural and ethnic traditions will never be rendered superfluous.

Unless, as you imply, it's done via cultural genocide by conquest; as the CCP is practising in Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia.

Nobody is refusing them any right to their 'cultural and ethnic traditions' - those however are part of a small social group and cannot be permitted, under our system of democracy, to dictate terms to the majority.

Again - we do not have here any discrete region occupied by a majority of Aborigines and which has clear borders with majority Australia and a former national identity of its own .... there is zero comparison with Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, England/Scotland or anywhere else.

Australia is a single nation in a single island continent, and is unlike any of those joined by border regions.

I'm afraid it's up to them to choose - but if you can show me one who currently doesn't participate to some extent in the Wharte Man's Way and use the Wharte Man's goodies - I'm all ears.

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Reply #408 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:45pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:15pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:09pm:

Oh - the Basques occupy in majority a clear area of Spain - they are not scattered across the whole country in twos and threes ... over to you.... I offered the Cheers a Noweto homeland of their own where they can 'do things their way' to their heart's content..... have their own passport and national identity and all that, their own laws .... the thing they can't have is ownership of all Australia now... it's gone with the wind..... they are the minority..... no tail wags the dog...

Put that in your pipe and smoke it .... you youngies are so easy... so easy you don't begin to even know it...

As the English did to the Scots at the turn of the 18th century.

Geriatric sensibility is ineradicable. You are the recipient of the white trash cultural milieu you were born into.

As already - there is no comparison between Scotland/England and our Aborigines... repeating your lost argument will not alter that.

Exploitation of a people by overwhelming force is the same in Scotland/England as it is in Australia.

Australians will need to wait until your generation is gone before your prevailing attitude is eradicated, as Australians once had to do to end the white Australia policy. Had earlier Australian generations been still alive and held power in 1967, there would have been no referendum.

And 'white Australia' was just one thing. You'd remember the 'Yellow Peril' days, no doubt.

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Reply #409 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:50pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:06pm:

Correct - part of the reason for that is genetic, there is the violence and stress they impose on one another in far too many cases, the diet they choose to pursue, and they lead a life of often substance abuse.

Genetics? Let's pass on that one, since we can't change that. But social dysfunction - of groups or individuals - is something we can all intervene in, assisted by effective government.

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Those are personal issues most of which can be fixed by them. They do not want 'intervention' - they want to 'do things their way'.

Obviously wrong. Just as you can't fix the current cost of living issues facing the most disadvantaged in the wider community, only government can do that...but NOT a government captured by neoliberal market orthodoxy...

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Doesn't matter what 'nationality' is - it is what it is.... being part of a nation, a group with generally the same requirements. It is impossible to simply abolish nations and then have totally open borders - clearly all cultures are not equal in their behaviour and values ... and each is as entitled as any other to stick to what they want.

Fair enough, but your wrong basic propositions, addressed above, are the issues requiring attention, not debates on separate land for ethnics groups (or extremist calls for abo ownership of Australia)

Your "shadow government " argument has already been refuted, an advisory voice - at least until we close the gap - is not a "shadow government".

As for your anti-'feminist' tirades, women MPs will be no more incompetent than male MPs, so what's the problem?

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Reply #410 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:59pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:29pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Ethnic and religious identity is predicated on ancient tradition and is the most tenacious of human activity.

Where is Boudica's ethnic and religious identity today? (her's was much later than aboriginal culture, but assimilated by successive waves of conquest.

Not to mention her iron age pre-literate economy...

So, destruction of ethno-cultural identity by conquest is what you're advocating.

Why did you make that wrong conclusion to what I said? Which was:

"we can look forward to passage of time and assimilation to render permanent representation of that culture superfluous".

And I'm saying representation of cultural and ethnic traditions will never be rendered superfluous.

And I proved you wrong. In fact most cultural traditions in the ancient world have disappeared, remembered only in history books.

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Reply #411 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 2:05pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:29pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Ethnic and religious identity is predicated on ancient tradition and is the most tenacious of human activity.

Where is Boudica's ethnic and religious identity today? (her's was much later than aboriginal culture, but assimilated by successive waves of conquest.

Not to mention her iron age pre-literate economy...

So, destruction of ethno-cultural identity by conquest is what you're advocating.

Why did you make that wrong conclusion to what I said? Which was:

"we can look forward to passage of time and assimilation to render permanent representation of that culture superfluous".

And I'm saying representation of cultural and ethnic traditions will never be rendered superfluous.

And I proved you wrong. In fact most cultural traditions in the ancient world have disappeared, remembered only in history books.

How many cultures can you name that died out by popular choice? How many died out via natural extinction of the culture-bearers? How many were destroyed via cultural genocide by conquest?

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Reply #412 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 2:14pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:50pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:06pm:

Correct - part of the reason for that is genetic, there is the violence and stress they impose on one another in far too many cases, the diet they choose to pursue, and they lead a life of often substance abuse.

Genetics? Let's pass on that one, since we can't change that. But social dysfunction - of groups or individuals - is something we can all intervene in, assisted by effective government.

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Those are personal issues most of which can be fixed by them. They do not want 'intervention' - they want to 'do things their way'.

Obviously wrong. Just as you can't fix the current cost of living issues facing the most disadvantaged in the wider community, only government can do that...but NOT a government captured by neoliberal market orthodoxy...

Not wrong at all - every 'intervention' has failed largely because no amount of intervention changes the material with which it attempts to work. Band-aid solutions at best, then the 'culture' resumes it old course, and IS vilified as being paternalistic.

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Doesn't matter what 'nationality' is - it is what it is.... being part of a nation, a group with generally the same requirements. It is impossible to simply abolish nations and then have totally open borders - clearly all cultures are not equal in their behaviour and values ... and each is as entitled as any other to stick to what they want.

Fair enough, but your wrong basic propositions, addressed above, are the issues requiring attention, not debates on separate land for ethnics groups (or extremist calls for abo ownership of Australia)

Your "shadow government " argument has already been refuted, an advisory voice - at least until we close the gap - is not a "shadow government".

As for your anti-'feminist' tirades, women MPs will be no more incompetent than male MPs, so what's the problem?

Indeed - see Gallagher's response to Price's Question...clearly competence is not a virtue in politics .... but waffling is.... BTW - no tirades - just stating simple realities.... while ever you have preference for certain groups you will not encourage genuine talent.. just mediocrity and a divided nation.. No More Handouts! One day you'll get in touch with the reality. FYI 'feminism' is not representative of the majority of real women.

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Reply #413 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 2:18pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:45pm:

Exploitation of a people by overwhelming force is the same in Scotland/England as it is in Australia.

Australians will need to wait until your generation is gone before your prevailing attitude is eradicated, as Australians once had to do to end the white Australia policy. Had earlier Australian generations been still alive and held power in 1967, there would have been no referendum.

And 'white Australia' was just one thing. You'd remember the 'Yellow Peril' days, no doubt.

Just shot your own argument in the foot... clearly it was 'we' whom you seek to so despise for being hidebound and oppressive - who voted to give the Aborigines the vote... same as women way back.. so your entire premise is without foundation... everything you enjoy so much is the result of 'we' back then.

The real issue here is totally different - and you have yet to provide any compelling reason to alter the constitution to suit a small group - and to permit that group to have a shadow government at all levels without clear oversight and transparency.

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Reply #414 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 2:25pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:45pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:15pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:09pm:

Oh - the Basques occupy in majority a clear area of Spain - they are not scattered across the whole country in twos and threes ... over to you.... I offered the Cheers a Noweto homeland of their own where they can 'do things their way' to their heart's content..... have their own passport and national identity and all that, their own laws .... the thing they can't have is ownership of all Australia now... it's gone with the wind..... they are the minority..... no tail wags the dog...

Put that in your pipe and smoke it .... you youngies are so easy... so easy you don't begin to even know it...

As the English did to the Scots at the turn of the 18th century.

Geriatric sensibility is ineradicable. You are the recipient of the white trash cultural milieu you were born into.

As already - there is no comparison between Scotland/England and our Aborigines... repeating your lost argument will not alter that.

Exploitation of a people by overwhelming force is the same in Scotland/England as it is in Australia.

Australians will need to wait until your generation is gone before your prevailing attitude is eradicated, as Australians once had to do to end the white Australia policy. Had earlier Australian generations been still alive and held power in 1967, there would have been no referendum.

And 'white Australia' was just one thing. You'd remember the 'Yellow Peril' days, no doubt.

Good times, Meister. The White Australia Policy was a real hoot.

Bit hard to find a translator or someone to do a multicultural consult, but we danced our jolly maypole jigs and had some fun.

You?

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Reply #415 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 2:37pm

"And 'white Australia' was just one thing. You'd remember the 'Yellow Peril' days, no doubt."

What makes you imagine that White Australia was much more than a government policy? What makes you imagine that most people even thought much about it? What makes you think that the entire generation - I'm from the one after that, BTW - actually held those views? So what about the Yellow Peril? Australia was bombed and one Yellow lot carried on a brutal war for years... clearly there was ample reason to be aware of the hordes to the North. Look at the modern days..... hello, Woke one still asleep... if you can't read the writing on the wall but prefer to wallow along in your woolly comfort zone of generalisations and assumptions about everything being smarmy nice ... there's a nice place waiting for you in a concentration camp one the Peril gets here.

You really need to start thinking much better, junior.... I, for one - and I am loath to defend my self here to an online non-person - never supported White Australia or Yellow Peril -and your over-reaching generalisations are insulting to the generation that created your cloud cuckoo land world that you live in and have the opportunity to carry on about things you know little of.

At my age I've already offered to 'come in from the cold' and work for the government (not the elected one) in the looming crisis... if you are under forty I would suggest you get out running every day in all weathers and getting fit and getting your mind right...

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Reply #417 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 2:40pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 11:37am:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 10:41am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 10:25am:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 6:22am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 12:54pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 8:58am:

Yeah & none of the corrupt ATSIC officials did any time either.

Irrelevant. If you want to argue atsic deserved to be disbanded because of corruption by a few, then apply that rule to every organisation. Starting with the liberal party.

You'll find you'll have no organizations left by the time you finish Roll Eyes

The liberal party is not established and protected by the constitution. At least try to keep up John.

Neither was ATSIC, of which my comment was referring too . Do try and keep up FD

Why do you think ATSIC is being discussed John?

Deflection.

Do you not see the relevance?

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 11:54am:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 6:22am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 12:54pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 8:58am:

Yeah & none of the corrupt ATSIC officials did any time either.

Irrelevant. If you want to argue atsic deserved to be disbanded because of corruption by a few, then apply that rule to every organisation. Starting with the liberal party.

You'll find you'll have no organizations left by the time you finish Roll Eyes

The liberal party is not established and protected by the constitution. At least try to keep up John.

Let me guess, FD, you're against putting dirty Boongs in the constitution, is this correct?

Of course, that would be racist.

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 12:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 11:58am:

It wasn't for deflection at all.

It was as a previously tried & failed comparison.

it didn't fail. A period of corruption doesn't mean it failed otherwise every single large organization in the country would be said to have failed. Corruption was just the excuse that the bigots used to shut down the one decent voice the aborigines had at the time

It is corrupt by design. A voice 'representing' the aboriginal people, but no answerable in any way to them, only to the government they supposedly advise. It will inevitably get stacked with rent seekers who carefully pretend to represent Aboriginal Australians to the government, but who in reality represent the government to the public and to Aborigines.

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 12:18pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 12:13pm:

Hey did anyone else know that corruption is not a reason but merely an excuse Shocked

???!!!???

how many times have the libs and their members been found to be acting corruptly? How many times did the libs close down the liberal party? Or any other organisation where there was corruption (which would include just about every large organisation)

I know your stupidity is genetic but you really should try harder not to embarrass yourself so often.

The Australian people vote the Liberal party out of power on a regular basis, including for corruption. What recourse will Aboriginal Australians have if they do not think "the voice" is their voice, or who think it is fundamentally racist to assume that the half million or so Aboriginal Australians all think the same thoughts and can be represented by one voice?

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 12:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 12:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 12:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 11:58am:

It wasn't for deflection at all.

It was as a previously tried & failed comparison.

it didn't fail. A period of corruption doesn't mean it failed otherwise every single large organization in the country would be said to have failed. Corruption was just the excuse that the bigots used to shut down the one decent voice the aborigines had at the time

It was dissolved because it failed to deliver to Aboriginal peoples the outcomes it was supposed to .....

the corrupt officials were just a part of that.

So you .... stop deflecting.

so change whats not working. Every other organization gets reworked from time to time.

Democracy works. Undemocratic institutions do not. We will not be able to fix that if it gets enshrined in the constitution.

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Reply #418 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 4:30pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 2:18pm:

permit that group to have a shadow government at all levels without clear oversight and transparency.

There you go again. You're a product of your generation.

There is no suggestion of a shadow government, which, incidentally, was word-for-word what Bjelke-Petersen suggested would happen if aboriginal people were granted native title.

Of course, as a virtue signaller yourself, you'd no doubt claim you were always pro native title (now that it's done and the world didn't melt down), despite your gratuitous ethno-chauvinistic rhetoric peppered throughout all your posts; as you'd no doubt claim in the future if permanent representation in parliament turns out not to be the end of parliamentary sovereignty.

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Reply #419 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 4:53pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 2:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 1:50pm:

[quote author=The_Grappler link=1659098415/398#398 date=1659496002]

Correct - part of the reason for that is genetic, there is the violence and stress they impose on one another in far too many cases, the diet they choose to pursue, and they lead a life of often substance abuse.

Genetics? Let's pass on that one, since we can't change that. But social dysfunction - of groups or individuals - is something we can all intervene in, assisted by effective government.

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Those are personal issues most of which can be fixed by them. They do not want 'intervention' - they want to 'do things their way'.

Obviously wrong. Just as you can't fix the current cost of living issues facing the most disadvantaged in the wider community, only government can do that...but NOT a government captured by neoliberal market orthodoxy...

Not wrong at all - every 'intervention' has failed largely because no amount of intervention changes the material with which it attempts to work. Band-aid solutions at best, then the 'culture' resumes it old course, and IS vilified as being paternalistic.

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Doesn't matter what 'nationality' is - it is what it is.... being part of a nation, a group with generally the same requirements. It is impossible to simply abolish nations and then have totally open borders - clearly all cultures are not equal in their behaviour and values ... and each is as entitled as any other to stick to what they want.

Fair enough, but your wrong basic propositions, addressed above, are the issues requiring attention, not debates on separate land for ethnics groups (or extremist calls for abo ownership of Australia)

Your "shadow government " argument has already been refuted, an advisory voice - at least until we close the gap - is not a "shadow government".

As for your anti-'feminist' tirades, women MPs will be no more incompetent than male MPs, so what's the problem?

Indeed - see Gallagher's response to Price's Question...clearly competence is not a virtue in politics .... but waffling is.... BTW - no tirades - just stating simple realities.... while ever you have preference for certain groups you will not encourage genuine talent.. just mediocrity and a divided nation.. No More Handouts! One day you'll get in touch with the reality. FYI 'feminism' is not representative of the majority of real women.

You answered 2 points only.

1. you continue to claim intervention doesn't work. That's because you are as ideologically blind as Howard who cancelled the very successful CDEP scheme introduced by Fraser in 1977, before vicious neoliberalism became entrenched.

2. feminism is not a preference for women, but a preference for equality of opportunity, for people.

As for parliamentary "debate": it would indeed a cruel and unusual punishment' to be forced to listen to it non-stop....

One would end up begging to go to China, to escape the hideous spectacle of blind leading the blind "freedom" ideologues wasting precious time in the adversarial political process...none of whom cares because they are being paid $200k plus, to yell at their political opponents

Fortunately for the sanity of us all, no-one is forced to listen to parliament.

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