Let us return to that basic lack of comparison - Scotland had a Parliament which was resurrected.... the Indigenous had NO parliament and were a disparate group of wandering groups comprising over a thousand dialects and tribal languages.  They persist with that to this day - our locals are not welcome only a few miles north, capisce?

There was NO Aboriginal nation.... thus no enforced Anschluss...... they are the vast minority at 3.3%, unlike Scots in Scotland...

So I ask again - what reason is there for a shadow government - which - if you read what I posted - the final report on the Aboriginal Anschluss - THEIR report from THEIR academics and self-appointed with the connivance of the Australian government spokespersons (you with me?) ....says clearly that they expect representative groups at all levels of government and an influence at all levels = a Shadow Government.

What is your justification for that?

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 10:52pm:



I'm part Norwegian - does that count, Khunt?

Never knew that until the DNA test..... the ex for whom I am full-time carer is a trifle Bengali.... does that count?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 10:57pm:


Of course not. You don't put it in your signature and call yourself Sore End, while you smugly rail against foreigners.

Perhaps you'd like to take a Dane yabbying, ya?

Yabbying is a noble art... but they don't mind some garlic with it for flavour.... not bad those freshwater lobsters and they get mighty big sometimes.... and rough on the hands... spikes ... me mate could catch on with his hand... it's an art.... you should try it some time...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 11:10pm:

No, you're just a boring old fool who has too high a regard for his own drivel; but you're amusing, for now.

There is no suggestion of a shadow government, nor any challenge to parliamentary sovereignty; that's just you channelling Joh Bjelke-Petersen.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 11:16pm:

You're missing the point.

Aboriginal people can also hold non-Aboriginal seats where they would have a duty to represent all people within their electorate, but there will also be permanent aboriginal seats whose electors will be aboriginal only - the NZ model.

Indigenous people have a unique status in Australia; Muslims do not.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 11:21pm:

No. A shadow government implies sovereignty. You're confusing guaranteed representation with government.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 11:24pm:



So now you imagine that an elected by a small group body has no 'sovereignty' over all other electors, and that therefore their views have no value unless accepted in the wider range of views?

And that special elected seats by a tiny group only, somehow does not represent sovereignty of that small and specified group?

Good thinking....

So the absolute sovereignty of a few selected seats (not elected) does not imply any sovereignty of a specific social group who never had a concept of sovereignty of a small and specified group?

How does that gel with the DEMAND for a special voice at every level of government, and then the election of the top rung by those special voices only, as being anything but a demand for sovereignty of groups that never had it?

The final report was that there should be bodies appointed by a small minority at every level of government, and that the 'top rung' should be voted on ONLY by those appointed to those positions by that small minority, and that they should then have 'advisory' power to the Parliament as a whole - this to be enshrined in the Constitution - unlike any other lobby group (such as miners, white supremacists, Lebos, Eye-ties, Grecos etc) ....

And now you moot the idea that totally separate but decidedly unequal seats be handed as a right to that small minority, and that they not just be an elected by a tiny minority advisory group, but have guaranteed seats?

Clearly in mooting that idea of totally separate and voted on by a tiny minority seats, you have betrayed the entire thrust of this specious non-argument about Aboriginal shadow government.

And you deliberately overlook the fact that the final report (solution for Australia) clearly demands representation at every level of government without going through the tortuous route of actually being elected by the majority of all voters in the seat they wish to hold.

Do you even begin to understand our form of democracy?