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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #271 - Aug 1^st, 2022 at 11:57pm

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 10:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 10:40pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 10:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 10:08pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 9:38pm:

What ARE the jobs in remote Aboriginal shiteholes that are not being filled?

https://insidestory.org.au/making-a-living-differently/

Making a living differently:
The abolition of Community Development Employment Projects has undermined economic renewal in remote Indigenous communities

"Abolishing CDEP was a well-intentioned (my reading: ideological) mistake and CDP is our attempt to atone for it.” So said Tony Abbott** in a recent exchange with journalist Amos Aikman in the Australian. CDEP was the Community Development Employment Projects scheme, which replaced unemployment benefits in a growing number of Indigenous communities after it was launched by the Fraser government in 1977. CDP, or the Community Development Programme, is a work-for-the-dole scheme that pays participants far lower hourly rates than under CDEP.

The Howard government began dismantling CDEP in 2004, despite official statistics and case studies that demonstrated its benefits for Indigenous individuals, communities and organisations. The government’s intention, according to employment minister Joe Hockey, was “to move people off welfare and into ‘real’ employment.” Put this way, his statement misleadingly portrayed CDEP as solely an employment program, ignoring its important role in community development, and erroneously defined CDEP participants as welfare recipients

Now Frank, I know even you are capable of reading and comprehending that last paragraph.

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Why do they need to fly in white people to do the work? Why are Aborigines unemployable there? How would you make them employable?

Teach them to become builders and teachers, after their communities have sufficiently developed to stand on their own, mentioned as one goal of the CDEP.

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By forcing them off the grog, off the benefit, taking their kids away from them unless they shape up, etc. Do a Maoist CCP on them, no?

No; by intelligent government intervention,, initiated by successful schemes like the CDEP.

** Abbott at least bothered to live on the remote camps for some days when he was PM, to try to understand the issues. Hence his recognition it was a mistake for Howard to abolish the CDEP.

There are untold number of Aboriginal training, employment, welfare, social support programs. All they need is Aborigines to TURN UP for them, COMPLETE them and then WORK.

With all the special assistance given to Aborigines, they should have zero unemployment. ZERO.

Oh dear ...I credited you with the ability to read and comprehend a simple paragraph, but I was wrong. Here it is again:

” Put this way, his statement misleadingly portrayed CDEP as solely an employment program, ignoring its important role in community development, and erroneously defined CDEP participants as welfare recipients

Ie, it was real employment leading to community development, a basic necessary first step.

Your "untold number of Aboriginal training, employment, welfare, social support programs" are mostly CDP 'work for the dole schemes', which Abbott admitted were a failure.

Please improve your comprehension skills.

EVERYTHING will be a failure until Aboriginese decide to help themselves.

It is ENTIRELY in their own hands. Nobody can help them until they decide to help themselves. Nobody.

Oh dear, case closed.... you cannot comprehend simple english. Even Abbott admitted axing the CDEP was a mistake.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #272 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 12:13am

None of this is relevant - these are all issues that can be addressed in other ways.

The issue is whether or not a constitutional change should be done that offers to one small group a privilege of inside running on any issue they want to say affects them, without an equal opportunity for anyone else to have a say.

Put in such simple terms, and leaving out the incredible barrage of propaganda and sob stories from the past to which the Australian voter is being subjected - the response to that simple question is NO.

People have been compensated for 'lost generation', or for 'stolen wages', and so forth and so forth... these are the PAST.

The year is 2022 and we are to address a major change in our national governance - not twiddle about with historical inequities - everyone has those - they are as common as arseholes.

Stick to the one issue.... I've told you over and over again - the Past is an Iron Curtain country from which there are no visas, no return and from which there is no extradition treaty.

Stop whining about past issues that have nothing to do with the current one - which - put simply - will do NOTHING to resolve the never-ending problems of Indigenous folk, but will, instead, create a never-ending running sore on the face of Australian politics.

Lies are already being told - it's only about 'recognition' - well - FFS - you're recognised. But it's not - it's about unlimited access at all levels of government to influence and change and if uncontrolled from the outset, veto things that they choose not to like for any reason or no reason at all.

I say NO! We are all the same in this country - work for a lifetime to have the goodies the White Man has... FFS - Stan Grant is a spokesperson? Fattest in the land.... Noel Pearson (whom I have time for) tonight - speaking slowly so the idiots can understand his learned lines - then speaking three times as fast when responding to direct questions. FCS - stop the bullshit and get on with the discussion of HERE and NOW!

Old grievances are like arseholes - everybody's got one .... it's

2022!

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #273 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 12:48am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 10:56pm:

How many full blooded aboriginals are there these days?

Difficult question to answer with little or no reliable references.

They're almost non-existent. Estimates say around 5,000 in total.
There're 468,000 Aboriginals in total in Australia of which 99% are
mixed race, and 1% are full blooded.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #274 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 2:49am

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 8:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 8:40pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 8:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 7:58pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 7:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 6:51pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 6:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 5:26pm:

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Terrified of the Australian people making a Just decision, are we? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What decision might that be, Sleepy Cockwomble? Too afraid to say?? Make an INFORMED decision about how they want to be governed?

Just so. It's the price one pays for not doing the job properly and signing a treaty.

Ask Sir Reggie. He had to give away the entire Middle East.

Ungrateful Khunts. They dont even have the decency to leave a courteous calling card.

That's the tinted races for you. Correlation not causation, no?

Very stupid gibberish, khunt. The constitution, the political system, representation, making laws - and amending them - are a real, actual matters for now, for all of us and will require an actual decision from us, here, now.

Your carrying on like a Lidia Thorpe is just acting like a silly bint.

Oh, I see. So when did the silly old Kiwis sign the Waitangi Treaty, dear boy? When did the Cannacks sign the James Bay and Northern Québec Agreement, followed by 25 subsequent native treaties?

That's a question. Short answer.

Short answer? They are still fvccered - sorry, fvccered one. Coz Aborigines wouldn't understand what you are saying without sticking c'one' after every noun. That's how stupid and condescending you, the McGowans and all the other Bwianesque bozos are.

A treaty is pointless with people who you choose to drink themselves to death, rape, monster and beat their cousins and wives and run riot against some ever so slightly different clan or tribe in their remote shitehole 'sovereign' kingdoms. You can't 'treaty' people into sensible lives. It has to come from them. Elders, past and present, eh?? Where are they when you need respectable and effective leadership? Oh, they are passing the hat around at the 'welcome to country' ceremonies in the big cities. Righto - what's their name then??

Nobody has been fvccered around and untreaty- treated worse than the Joos. What do they do? Go to school and excel and assimilate into every culture, the bastards. How terrible is that!!! NO TREATY - but still doing well! Unforgivable. The Germans and Europeans certainly never forgave them for it.

The Joos treatied themselves into the nation state of Israel, dear boy.

After 2000 years. ANd aren't they reviled for it!!!

Importantly, they were NOT drinking themselves to death, raping and monstering each other for those two millennia.
Culture, innit. Learning. Excellence. Application. Effort. No treaty.

Most Aboriginal people are not doing those things either. It's just that mal-informed bigots relentlessly represent the whole people by the actions of the worst behaved amongst them.

Cue Gordy's youtube.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #275 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 6:09am

mothra wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 2:49am: