Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 14^th, 2022 at 3:21pm:


But guess WHY the proposal for a voice is currently being considered.......

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Of course a program can't "show fruit today" (according to your definition), if it was cancelled 2 decades ago.

So we are again left with the idea that because their life rhythms etc are somehow different, they must be accorded special treatment?  Genuine Apartheid?  Only if they are separated from everyone else for the safety and security of the majority.

Divide's ideas lead inevitably to that... government must impose, according to him, which means forcing them to do right etc... but he does not say how.... so I can only imagine his final solution is the gulag.  Might as well make a dollar out of it by making it into a live zoo....

It is 2022 - not 1787 .... and their 'special ways' are far too destructive to continue as they are, and NOBODY is responsible for those ways but the individual.

What percentage of all other groups are there in university education?  How do you want to split them up?

Alleged Bloody Originals get special scholarships and fees paid and separate cash from the mainstream and even fares etc paid to get there for residentials etc.  Told yez about me gf who was doing nursing - paid her own fares every week to get to uni, own accommodation, fees - had a friend doing the same at Sydney U (no less) who was flown down free every week, had all accommodation and fees paid etc.... and had a part-time Land Cruiser job to go check that no 'sacred sites' would be impacted by a proposed power line.

Guess which was Indigenous?

Sorry - excuses are like arseholes... everybody's got one.

Now, now - you're getting snarky.. it won't help you futile case of ranting about CDEP over and over... it's long dead and buried and I have no obligation to say anything about it.

Like everyone else - you do not possess the right to make the rules for discussion with me.... I alone will determine what parameters I will permit in discussion of issues relevant to my own country.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15^th, 2022 at 3:44pm:


The program is dead and buried.  The concern is here and now and what can be done - considering that all has been tried to no avail.

It is not  'my'  'uselessness when it comes to closing the gaps' - I have no say in the matter, and there are countless bodies actually doing that which are having as little success as I am.

Either the Blacks are children and must be controlled in everything, or they are sovereign individuals who have the right to make their own decisions.  Which way do you want it?

As before - I come from a background perhaps in many ways worse than many of your sainted Blacks - I made my own choices and decisions and NONE of those led to gaps that are not equally endured by many others.

If their dysfunction must be solved - what are your SOLID solutions that the countless bodies working on their behalf cannot find?  Give Us Your Plan!

The causes of Black disadvantage are far more complex than what you say - and most of it is in their court.

The question will be asked and my answer is Hell no - No way in the World

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 15^th, 2022 at 7:13pm:


Correct, but it needs to be reinstated imo; btw you don't have to support the CDEP (indeed CIS market ideologues destroyed it...they obviously didn't support it), you only need to acknowledge it reduced crime and alcoholism in the communities which participated in it (which is fact, not opinion).

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Correct - except for your blind, ignorant (I assume not deliberately lying) statement that "all has been tried to no avail".

Some success WAS achieved (eg with the CDEP) before the Reagan/Thatcher neoliberal "small government" ideology began ravaging the disadvantaged who were previously cared for by Keynesian 'welfare' state' policies (1946 - 1980s).

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Yes, those "countless bodies" are working within the current entrenched neoliberal orthodoxy, which demands individuals compete in the private market....or forced to rely on poverty level 'welfare' (the dole), a social and individual disaster.

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Individual sovereignty is an evil myth, we must all submit to rule of law,  to avoid anarchy.
But indeed many blacks are like children who need support and direction, to become responsible  functioning adults.

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They are not "sainted": I despise the filth and the stench and abuse toward the public on buses and public places in central and northern Oz.

And the sickening spectacle of chronic mind- and body-destroying alcoholism in public parks, which the community tolerates because it thinks it cannot "afford" to dry these people out and engage them in useful employment. 

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I just did, above...again (I will avoid wasting my time abusing you, you are too far gone in your ideological "freedom" blindness).

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What I say? I have already outlined some of it:

1. An ancient defunct culture trying/having to catch up with the modern world, since the hunter-gatherer economy is dead;

2. 'culture warriors' trying to make aspects of the  defunct culture practicable in the modern world,

3. vicious orthodox economists demanding work programs lead to employment in the dog eat dog competitive neoliberal job market

4.  preference of government to set up "safety nets" to sweep the problem under the carpet, in the mistaken  belief they are saving money. 

So the torment continues for the dysfunctional blacks themselves, and for the commumities and the nation which must bear witness to the ongoing nightmare.

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Care to identify which is and which is not "in their court"? i

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 11:44am:


That's not a reply to my post., but let's see what you got....

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You mean, subject to rule of law; and "exercising personal sovereignty" is dependent on the environment in which one is raised.   

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And we are still living in a slaughterhouse, owing to rejection of rule of law on behalf of the collective wellbeing.