Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 10:43am:


All correct, but you are part of the problem of abo poverty - measured by an average line-span more than 15 years  lower than non abos.

The problem is the current neoliberal survival of the fittest economy based on self-interest alone.

So enjoy the coming irrelevent, endless diversions re a 'voice', which even the abos can't agree on....and none of which diversions will solve the problem.

You are right: the no vote is likely to increase, as people want the details...while the libertarian fool J. Price says 'personal responsibility' is all that's required to fix the problem. 

I wonder why the bigots don't cry so much about mining companies and other big businesses having a voice in parliament. 

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:59pm:


They don't - and they don't .... and they aren't.    Mining companies have lobby groups same as the Abos and everyone else with some sense of self-interest... repeats - self-interest.

You started to get there yet?  'Til then you ain't nothin' but just another big-mouthed, swamp-runnin' NIQQER-LUVVAH!

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:54pm:



You're not Lefty are you?  I mean he just HAD to be someone here using a plant ... some of you sound remarkably similar but clearly you feel you have something to lose, whereas 'Lefty' had no such compunction, since he wasn't a real person anyway....

So which of you was he?  You can confess now - he's dead and gone... though if he only got another week he'll be back tomorrow to tell us fascists how evil and black and kid-killing we are while ranting, as you just did, about sexual things of others of which you clearly know nothing ...  Lefty's on the list you know... only got to rant and rave on weekends and after hours when he used someone else's computer..... on lockdown during certain hours - you can see why, no?

Be careful - this time I'll have him arrested....

you're trying to hard crappler. Stick to playing the victim, you're more experienced at it

Now to get you off this strand disruption thing, smith... here is the news to date as relayed to Albo:-

Aborigines etc already have all the voice they need same as everyone else.

They already have a higher percentage of representation in Parliament than their percentage representation in the community.

They are already enshrined in the constitution as Australians - same as everyone else.

They also have lobby groups, special representative groups with access to government, and over-representation in the press.

They have the support of Labor, the Greens, the majority of Independents, as well as a number of those on the 'right' side of Parliament.

What the actual powers and functions of any Special Voice are intended to be has not begun to be addressed.  The wording is vague, perhaps deliberately so.

Such a voice is racist, discriminatory and exclusionist.

It is not clear if any 'voice' has political voting power in Parliament.

Such a voice body would be an ATSIC or similar that could never be abolished or stood down for corruption etc.

It will achieve nothing that cannot be achieved without it, and at huge and unnecessary cost in money and disturbance of the democratic process

The intent of 'Aboriginal activists' is not to view this as the end result, but as the stepping stone towards the creation of mini-states throughout Australia, all bound by treaty to the Australian Government and funded by the taxpayer and any relevant business wishing to operate there.

It is not simply about 'Aboriginal issues'.  Any claim or demand by one group has direct effects on every member of Australia.  Similar to 'women's issues' and such these do not exist in a vacuum.

Depending on the model, it could mean permanent seats in Parliament for people who are only voted on by that one group (or groups) – those claiming Aboriginal descent.

To have a separate voice elected only by Aboriginals would mean that the current Aboriginal elected representatives are superfluous and should be stood down.

The claim to have 'never ceded sovereignty', means that elected Aborigines are ineligible to be chosen or to sit in Parliament.

44. Any person who –

(i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power:

shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:13am:


can you briefly outline Langton's argument  (highlighted)  - "10 years work" .

Thanks, I don't want to read 270 pages to find out, you claim to already know...

Some would love the kind of poverty that says - you receive your fortnightly dole/pension handout for living in a spot where you have no prospect of a job in a house we'll provide, you can collect royalties on any mining there without loss of social security payments, and we will provide you with a boat and equipment so you can fish in the traditional way and a land cruiser so you can travel in your traditional way, and we'll subsidise food deliveries to your settlement and give you flights in and out for medical treatment... you can do what you like up there on your permanent holiday and nobody will interfere ... and you won't be held to the same standard of law as everyone else, OK?

What an offer - they couldn't refuse, right?  Permanent resort holiday....

Response:-  Oh - but we get bored and we need to drink and kill one another .. it's not our fault....