Just to remind you again, here is the news to date:-

Aborigines etc already have all the voice they need same as everyone else.

They already have a higher percentage of representation in Parliament than their percentage representation in the community.

They are already enshrined in the constitution as Australians - same as everyone else.

They also have lobby groups, special representative groups with access to government, and over-representation in the press.

They have the support of Labor, the Greens, the majority of Independents, as well as a number of those on the 'right' side of Parliament.

What the actual powers and functions of any Special Voice are intended to be has not begun to be addressed.  The wording is vague, perhaps deliberately so.

Such a voice is racist, discriminatory and exclusionist.

It is not clear if any 'voice' has political voting power in Parliament.

Such a voice body would be an ATSIC or similar that could never be abolished or stood down for corruption etc.

It will achieve nothing that cannot be achieved without it, and at huge and unnecessary cost in money and disturbance of the democratic process

The intent of 'Aboriginal activists' is not to view this as the end result, but as the stepping stone towards the creation of mini-states throughout Australia, all bound by treaty to the Australian Government and funded by the taxpayer and any relevant business wishing to operate there.

It is not simply about 'Aboriginal issues'.  Any claim or demand by one group has direct effects on every member of Australia.  Similar to 'women's issues' and such these do not exist in a vacuum.

Depending on the model, it could mean permanent seats in Parliament for people who are only voted on by that one group (or groups) – those claiming Aboriginal descent.

To have a separate voice elected only by Aboriginals would mean that the current Aboriginal elected representatives are superfluous and should be stood down.

The claim to have 'never ceded sovereignty', means that elected Aborigines are ineligible to be chosen or to sit in Parliament.

44. Any person who –

(i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power:

shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.

Boris wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:49am:


Sounds like the start of Fascism to me.... so does this mean they can make special laws for any single individual group or must they apply to all equally as law requires...?

I believe I've been telling you lot that this country has been in a state of civil war for decades now over the assumption on the part of elected government that it has some divine right to make any laws it wants regardless of the people......

The Divine Right (or otherwise) of Elected Government - the next trend in upward movement in social and legal rights and equalities.... Professor Grappler (copyright).... a companion piece with The Eternal Civil War Between The People And Government .....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 11:39pm:


Oh god ...the simple decency of people not living in 3rd world conditions.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 12:04pm:



Another generalised statement again.... how is any voice going to alter the few who actually do live in third World conditions, often due to their own choices? Round 'em up and bring the herd in, Curly always said...

Belgarion wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:58am:



Those are the accumulated views from early posts on this board - they are not (all) mine - I'm the messenger of the gods here... nothing more.  Sent it to Albo in full.. Vox Populi....

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 10:11am:


Yeah that's a bit worrying

... and never moved forward of prospered for thousands of years and is incapable of co-existing now, given that its adherents are incapable of doing what their ancestors did.... choice-mobile that is...  nobody's stopping them from living their traditional way without all the white man's trappings - but they want all the trappings and the traditional way of 'let's do that hunting tomorrow' ...

They expect to have everything that the white man has without working a lifetime for it as the white man does.  Life simply doesn't work that way..... you work for a living, divide.... what IS your problem...?

BTW - I posted a list of massacres - not only were they two way, but most often the attacks on Indigenous groups came about as a result of their attacks on settler groups ... not the other way around.  Go dig it up - you might be surprised to see that a punitive raid went out after the killing of two shepherds or whatever.... the rule that you do not pick a fight with the gorilla in the bar applies here...

Past disadvantage - you reckon those men forced to take to the roads to seek work and leave their families behind in the care of the woman were not disadvantaged, humping their bluey down the road and begging for a bit of work at homesteads or a small meal anyway.  Until Federation and Universal Male Suffrage, which was instantly converted by the vote of men into Universal Suffrage at the very first opportunity - the majority of people lived hand-to-mouth and often in miserable conditions.

I think you need to re-visit your history books, laddie.  The PROBLEM, until recent times and now having gone backwards since the advent of feminism and its wedge politics and whining for privileges constantly, has  always been the way the 'better offs' treated the rest - as just the lowest exploitable commodity.

It is a SOCIAL issue - not a racial issue.... as said - the Abos are free to roam around and do their own thing all they like without the white man's trappings and return to their golden age... as long as they now respect the rights of others as well, capisce?

The year is 2022 - we've had enough of wedge politics and privilege handouts ruining this country for the ordinary folk.