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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #465 - Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:55pm

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:

...Even the Australian Bureau of Statistics has reported excess deaths for 2022.

In 2022, there were 144,650 deaths that occurred by 30 September and were registered by 30 November, which is 19,986 (16.0%) more than the historical average. - ABS: for 1 Jan to 30 Sep.

And the rest of those stats:

The age-standardised death rate (SDR) for September 2022
was 43.9 deaths per 100,000 people.

September was the first month that the rate for 2022 was
BELOW the baseline average of 44.8 deaths per 100,000 people.

And of the 19,968 excess deaths, only 232 of those deaths in
October were due to COVID, or 1.2% of them.

—I have to apologise for shooting down your argument. Wink

You don't have to apologise, you could let me know why the ABS did not provide breakdowns by age range or anything other than superficial analysis.

And why, like the NHS, the ABS has stopped providing stats on excess deaths.

The British Office of National Statistics has admitted that the data they released (which they stopped releasing in July) cannot be used to prove the efficacy of the vaccines and it cannot be used to prove the vaccine is safe.

The suspected link with the vaccines has less to do with covid than the effects of the mRNA's spike protein's effect on organs.

The ABS stopped releasing stats in September 2022. Why is that, I wonder.

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #466 - Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:56pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:55pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:

...Even the Australian Bureau of Statistics has reported excess deaths for 2022.

In 2022, there were 144,650 deaths that occurred by 30 September and were registered by 30 November, which is 19,986 (16.0%) more than the historical average. - ABS: for 1 Jan to 30 Sep.

And the rest of those stats:

The age-standardised death rate (SDR) for September 2022
was 43.9 deaths per 100,000 people.

September was the first month that the rate for 2022 was
BELOW the baseline average of 44.8 deaths per 100,000 people.

And of the 19,968 excess deaths, only 232 of those deaths in
October were due to COVID, or 1.2% of them.

—I have to apologise for shooting down your argument. Wink

You don't have to apologise, you could let me know why the ABS did not provide breakdowns by age range or anything other than superficial analysis.

And why, like the NHS, the ABS has stopped providing stats on excess deaths.

The British Office of National Statistics has admitted that the data they released (which they stopped releasing in July) cannot be used to prove the efficacy of the vaccines and it cannot be used to prove the vaccine is safe.

The ABS stopped releasing stats in September 2022. Why is that, I wonder.

It's a conspiracy.

Deep state, innit?

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #467 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:00am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:55pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:

...Even the Australian Bureau of Statistics has reported excess deaths for 2022.

In 2022, there were 144,650 deaths that occurred by 30 September and were registered by 30 November, which is 19,986 (16.0%) more than the historical average. - ABS: for 1 Jan to 30 Sep.

And the rest of those stats:

The age-standardised death rate (SDR) for September 2022
was 43.9 deaths per 100,000 people.

September was the first month that the rate for 2022 was
BELOW the baseline average of 44.8 deaths per 100,000 people.

And of the 19,968 excess deaths, only 232 of those deaths in
October were due to COVID, or 1.2% of them.

—I have to apologise for shooting down your argument. Wink

You don't have to apologise, you could let me know why the ABS did not provide breakdowns by age range or anything other than superficial analysis.

And why, like the NHS, the ABS has stopped providing stats on excess deaths.

The British Office of National Statistics has admitted that the data they released (which they stopped releasing in July) cannot be used to prove the efficacy of the vaccines and it cannot be used to prove the vaccine is safe.

The ABS stopped releasing stats in September 2022. Why is that, I wonder.

It's a conspiracy.

Deep state, innit?

It's what happens when new technologies are rapidly deployed.

The booster vaccines are no longer mandatory, so now you will be taking them at your own risk.

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #468 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:04am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:55pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:

...Even the Australian Bureau of Statistics has reported excess deaths for 2022.

In 2022, there were 144,650 deaths that occurred by 30 September and were registered by 30 November, which is 19,986 (16.0%) more than the historical average. - ABS: for 1 Jan to 30 Sep.

And the rest of those stats:

The age-standardised death rate (SDR) for September 2022
was 43.9 deaths per 100,000 people.

September was the first month that the rate for 2022 was
BELOW the baseline average of 44.8 deaths per 100,000 people.

And of the 19,968 excess deaths, only 232 of those deaths in
October were due to COVID, or 1.2% of them.

—I have to apologise for shooting down your argument. Wink

You don't have to apologise, you could let me know why the ABS did not provide breakdowns by age range or anything other than superficial analysis.

And why, like the NHS, the ABS has stopped providing stats on excess deaths.

The British Office of National Statistics has admitted that the data they released (which they stopped releasing in July) cannot be used to prove the efficacy of the vaccines and it cannot be used to prove the vaccine is safe.

The ABS stopped releasing stats in September 2022. Why is that, I wonder.

It's a conspiracy.

Deep state, innit?

It's what happens when new technologies are rapidly deployed.

MYTH 2: The COVID-19 vaccines were developed
too fast to be safe.

The technology used to develop the new mRNA
COVID-19 vaccines isn’t new. It’s been studied and used
for cancer research, and the original research on messenger RNA
(mRNA) vaccines is decades old. The other vaccine platform uses a
weakened adenovirus, which has been studied extensively for other
vaccines. Clinical trials for the COVID-19 vaccines were done with the
same rigor applied to all vaccine trials, and the results were reviewed
and approved by multiple independent advisory panels. Increased
collaboration, use of new technology and more funding meant that
vaccine developers could work quickly during this pandemic.

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #469 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:08am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:44pm:

If anyone believes that a full investigation into any link between mRNA vaccines' for covid and excess deaths ...

There are no "excess deaths".

Your investigation is based on a lie.

Even the Australian Bureau of Statistics has reported excess deaths for 2022.

In 2022, there were 144,650 deaths that occurred by 30 September and were registered by 30 November, which is 19,986 (16.0%) more than the historical average. - ABS: for 1 Jan to 30 Sep.

That's over 550 per week.

Have you heard of a little virus called COVID-19?

So, there should be no investigation, then?

Your attitude on this is the reason the Thalidomide atrocity occurred as it did.

Go for it.

I'm pretty sure that they'll find the extra deaths were due to a little pandemic you might have heard about.

And how do you know that?

I guess it just seems obvious to normal people that when a deadly pandemic is killing people all over that world that that might have something to do with any higher than normal death rates.

Normal people, eh? Do you know any?

Not really, dear. They're in the media and they've looked at the research you said hasn't been published.

Quote:

Millions of people have viewed a BBC News interview with a British cardiologist who used the broadcast to spread misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.

Turns out the whole thing was a hoax - you know, reported by the media.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccines-excessdeaths-idUSL1N3490M3

Aquascoot's selling Amway if you're interested.

Lose weight now ask him how, no?

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #470 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:04am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:55pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:

...Even the Australian Bureau of Statistics has reported excess deaths for 2022.

In 2022, there were 144,650 deaths that occurred by 30 September and were registered by 30 November, which is 19,986 (16.0%) more than the historical average. - ABS: for 1 Jan to 30 Sep.

And the rest of those stats:

The age-standardised death rate (SDR) for September 2022
was 43.9 deaths per 100,000 people.

September was the first month that the rate for 2022 was
BELOW the baseline average of 44.8 deaths per 100,000 people.

And of the 19,968 excess deaths, only 232 of those deaths in
October were due to COVID, or 1.2% of them.

—I have to apologise for shooting down your argument. Wink

You don't have to apologise, you could let me know why the ABS did not provide breakdowns by age range or anything other than superficial analysis.

And why, like the NHS, the ABS has stopped providing stats on excess deaths.

The British Office of National Statistics has admitted that the data they released (which they stopped releasing in July) cannot be used to prove the efficacy of the vaccines and it cannot be used to prove the vaccine is safe.

The ABS stopped releasing stats in September 2022. Why is that, I wonder.

It's a conspiracy.

Deep state, innit?

It's what happens when new technologies are rapidly deployed.

MYTH 2: The COVID-19 vaccines were developed
too fast to be safe.

The technology used to develop the new mRNA
COVID-19 vaccines isn’t new. It’s been studied and used
for cancer research, and the original research on messenger RNA
(mRNA) vaccines is decades old. The other vaccine platform uses a
weakened adenovirus, which has been studied extensively for other
vaccines. Clinical trials for the COVID-19 vaccines were done with the
same rigor applied to all vaccine trials, and the results were reviewed
and approved by multiple independent advisory panels. Increased
collaboration, use of new technology and more funding meant that
vaccine developers could work quickly during this pandemic.

Then state actors should have no problem conducting investigations into the vaccine's safety when used for covid.

That's would be what normal people would expect from a state's health service.

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #471 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:18am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 8:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:44pm:

If anyone believes that a full investigation into any link between mRNA vaccines' for covid and excess deaths ...

There are no "excess deaths".

Your investigation is based on a lie.

Even the Australian Bureau of Statistics has reported excess deaths for 2022.

In 2022, there were 144,650 deaths that occurred by 30 September and were registered by 30 November, which is 19,986 (16.0%) more than the historical average. - ABS: for 1 Jan to 30 Sep.

That's over 550 per week.

Have you heard of a little virus called COVID-19?

So, there should be no investigation, then?

Your attitude on this is the reason the Thalidomide atrocity occurred as it did.

Go for it.

I'm pretty sure that they'll find the extra deaths were due to a little pandemic you might have heard about.

And how do you know that?

I guess it just seems obvious to normal people that when a deadly pandemic is killing people all over that world that that might have something to do with any higher than normal death rates.

Normal people, eh? Do you know any?

There are possibly muliple causes of excess deaths but there appears to be a correlation between vaccine uptake in the west and excess deaths that is not being reported in thrid-world countries where vaccine use was low. The vaccine may or may not be part of the cause - only an investigation can determine if there is a link.

There was a time when 'normal people' were assured smoking did not cause lung cancer and asbestos did not cause mesothelioma.

Maybe it's Jewish space lasers.

Both theories have the same amount of evidence supporting them.

A most pertinent point. Why isn't the media reporting on them?

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #472 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:20am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:04am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:55pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:

...Even the Australian Bureau of Statistics has reported excess deaths for 2022.

In 2022, there were 144,650 deaths that occurred by 30 September and were registered by 30 November, which is 19,986 (16.0%) more than the historical average. - ABS: for 1 Jan to 30 Sep.

And the rest of those stats:

The age-standardised death rate (SDR) for September 2022
was 43.9 deaths per 100,000 people.

September was the first month that the rate for 2022 was
BELOW the baseline average of 44.8 deaths per 100,000 people.

And of the 19,968 excess deaths, only 232 of those deaths in
October were due to COVID, or 1.2% of them.

—I have to apologise for shooting down your argument. Wink

You don't have to apologise, you could let me know why the ABS did not provide breakdowns by age range or anything other than superficial analysis.

And why, like the NHS, the ABS has stopped providing stats on excess deaths.

The British Office of National Statistics has admitted that the data they released (which they stopped releasing in July) cannot be used to prove the efficacy of the vaccines and it cannot be used to prove the vaccine is safe.

The ABS stopped releasing stats in September 2022. Why is that, I wonder.

It's a conspiracy.

Deep state, innit?

It's what happens when new technologies are rapidly deployed.

MYTH 2: The COVID-19 vaccines were developed
too fast to be safe.

The technology used to develop the new mRNA
COVID-19 vaccines isn’t new. It’s been studied and used
for cancer research, and the original research on messenger RNA
(mRNA) vaccines is decades old. The other vaccine platform uses a
weakened adenovirus, which has been studied extensively for other
vaccines. Clinical trials for the COVID-19 vaccines were done with the
same rigor applied to all vaccine trials, and the results were reviewed
and approved by multiple independent advisory panels. Increased
collaboration, use of new technology and more funding meant that
vaccine developers could work quickly during this pandemic.

Then state actors should have no problem conducting investigations into the vaccine's safety when used for covid.

That's would be what normal people would expect from a state's health service.

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/covid-19-vaccine-safety-reports

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #473 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:21am

Big Donger wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:08am:

Not really, dear. They're in the media and they've looked at the research you said hasn't been published.

Did they now.

There have been few investigations into excess deaths in relation to mRNA vaccines in Europe, none in the anglosphere yet.

So, to date, no state or health authority anywhere can confirm with confidence that mRNA vaccines are safe when used for covid. The British ONS, when pressed, admitted that.

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #474 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:22am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:04am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:55pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:

...Even the Australian Bureau of Statistics has reported excess deaths for 2022.

In 2022, there were 144,650 deaths that occurred by 30 September and were registered by 30 November, which is 19,986 (16.0%) more than the historical average. - ABS: for 1 Jan to 30 Sep.

And the rest of those stats:

The age-standardised death rate (SDR) for September 2022
was 43.9 deaths per 100,000 people.

September was the first month that the rate for 2022 was
BELOW the baseline average of 44.8 deaths per 100,000 people.

And of the 19,968 excess deaths, only 232 of those deaths in
October were due to COVID, or 1.2% of them.

—I have to apologise for shooting down your argument. Wink

You don't have to apologise, you could let me know why the ABS did not provide breakdowns by age range or anything other than superficial analysis.

And why, like the NHS, the ABS has stopped providing stats on excess deaths.

The British Office of National Statistics has admitted that the data they released (which they stopped releasing in July) cannot be used to prove the efficacy of the vaccines and it cannot be used to prove the vaccine is safe.

The ABS stopped releasing stats in September 2022. Why is that, I wonder.

It's a conspiracy.

Deep state, innit?

It's what happens when new technologies are rapidly deployed.

MYTH 2: The COVID-19 vaccines were developed
too fast to be safe.

The technology used to develop the new mRNA
COVID-19 vaccines isn’t new. It’s been studied and used
for cancer research, and the original research on messenger RNA
(mRNA) vaccines is decades old. The other vaccine platform uses a
weakened adenovirus, which has been studied extensively for other
vaccines. Clinical trials for the COVID-19 vaccines were done with the
same rigor applied to all vaccine trials, and the results were reviewed
and approved by multiple independent advisory panels. Increased
collaboration, use of new technology and more funding meant that
vaccine developers could work quickly during this pandemic.

Then state actors should have no problem conducting investigations into the vaccine's safety when used for covid.

That's would be what normal people would expect from a state's health service.

Just so.

https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/advice-for-providers/clinic...

Do you think the media should report on them?

Why or why not?

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Reply #475 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:26am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:08am:

Not really, dear. They're in the media and they've looked at the research you said hasn't been published.

Did they now.

There have been few investigations into excess deaths in relation to mRNA vaccines in Europe, none in the anglosphere yet.

So, to date, no state or health authority anywhere can confirm with confidence that mRNA vaccines are safe when used for covid. The British ONS, when pressed, admitted that.

Why do they have to conduct research in the Anglosphere, dear?

What's wrong with no-speaka and a translation?

I'm curious.

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Reply #477 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:30am

Big Donger wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:08am:

Not really, dear. They're in the media and they've looked at the research you said hasn't been published.

Did they now.

There have been few investigations into excess deaths in relation to mRNA vaccines in Europe, none in the anglosphere yet.

So, to date, no state or health authority anywhere can confirm with confidence that mRNA vaccines are safe when used for covid. The British ONS, when pressed, admitted that.

Why do they have to conduct research in the Anglosphere, dear?

What's wrong with no-speaka and a translation?

I'm curious.

We live in the anglosphere.

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Reply #478 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:40am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:30am:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:08am:

Not really, dear. They're in the media and they've looked at the research you said hasn't been published.

Did they now.

There have been few investigations into excess deaths in relation to mRNA vaccines in Europe, none in the anglosphere yet.

So, to date, no state or health authority anywhere can confirm with confidence that mRNA vaccines are safe when used for covid. The British ONS, when pressed, admitted that.

Why do they have to conduct research in the Anglosphere, dear?

What's wrong with no-speaka and a translation?

I'm curious.

We live in the anglosphere.

What's wrong with Israel?

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Re: So many now dying suddenly
Reply #479 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:44am

Big Donger wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:40am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:30am:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 12:08am:

Not really, dear. They're in the media and they've looked at the research you said hasn't been published.

Did they now.

There have been few investigations into excess deaths in relation to mRNA vaccines in Europe, none in the anglosphere yet.

So, to date, no state or health authority anywhere can confirm with confidence that mRNA vaccines are safe when used for covid. The British ONS, when pressed, admitted that.

Why do they have to conduct research in the Anglosphere, dear?

What's wrong with no-speaka and a translation?

I'm curious.

We live in the anglosphere.

What's wrong with Israel?

Ah, the Jews.

I'd prefer an investigation in Australia. However, if the British, Canadians, or Americans conducted an investigation first, Australia would fall into line soon after.

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