buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 9
th, 2022 at 9:15am:
ShellShilo wrote on Nov 7
th, 2022 at 6:40pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Nov 7
th, 2022 at 4:14pm:
Correct. We were told (correctly) that if we're vaccinated, the chances of being hospitalised and/or ending up on O2 in ICU were
reduced.
It was never claimed that the vaccine would prevent death.
To my knowledge this was never directly expressed. But it was certainly implied and was implicit. The message is clearly, "Get vaccinated, or have an 88% chance of dying from this disease."
Perhaps you have a link to where this
"88% chance of dying" implication was made ?
I find it hard to believe that such a
precise figure could be got across by
"implication" ?
Even the more
intelligent of conspiracy theorists (yes, I'm aware that makes NO SENSE) have tried to feed us a
crock of sh!t
regarding vaccines
In 2007 Kevin Rudd announced an election policy that would put a computer on every school desk (not one for every student, mind you)
Announcing the policy, he held up a laptop at camera height (a PC, keyboard, monitor and mouse - obviously problematic to juggle)
After Kevin Rudd's Labor "romped it in" - disgruntled LibNats put it down to Rudd's "lie" of "implying" there would be a lap-top for every child, dropped off on their doorstep, the following Monday morning
NEVER stating "every child" - just "every desk"
NEVER stating "a laptop" - just "a computer"
Who were the REAL liars ?
Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to list reference sites yet. Perhaps I misunderstood the poster. I'm sure he was saying that for every 1 vaccinated death/ICU, there were 8 unvaccinated deaths/ICU in Australia. This was NOT my claim. But 1 in 8, is the same as 12.5% to 87.5%(88%) respectively. What is your disproportionate rate between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated? Or, are you just stating that it exists?
buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 8
th, 2022 at 8:50am:
Given the highly disproportionate rate of vaccinated vs unvaccinated subjects in contracting the virus, being hospitalised and in ICU with the virus - not to mention DEATH from the virus - I'd make a calculated guess that vaccination made more of a contribution, rather than not.
Combined with - as previously mentioned - changes to social behaviour.
And, you would be wrong. Because the stats and data just don't support your conclusion. The stats clearly show that many times more people have been infected, hospitalized, or died from this virus, than before vaccines were even available. Remember, correlation does NOT mean causality!
I suppose we could just dismiss anything we don't like as a conspiracy theory. But we can't simply dismiss/rationalize the facts. If just ONE multi-vaccinated person dies from this virus, then the theory that vaccines will protect anyone from dying from this virus is debunked. If any person is infected while wearing a mask, then the wearing of mask for protection is debunked. This is NOT rocket science.
There's a big difference between being skeptical, and just being obstinate. I go wherever the facts lead my questions. I know that mRNA vaccine-induced antibodies are so highly specific(high affinity), that even the slightest mutation to this virus will render the vaccine ineffective. And, this is what we are seeing today. And, why there are so many mutations.
What are we up to now? 14 mutations and counting? Should we keep sequencing more specific mRNA proteins to fight all these mutations? I remember a time when many Australians would laugh at the Japanese tourist for wearing a mask. Now we've created a nation of mask-wearers, and vaccine junkies. If you are NOT in the high-risk categories, why not just let your natural immune system do its job? Our naturally made antibodies don't care how the virus mutates.
I'm not sure what the relevance is between "no child left behind.." or "every child having a laptop", and this flu virus. Are you saying that, since our leaders have lied to us about these things, that they must be lying about vaccines, masks, and distancing? If so, then I agree with you. But again, this is totally YOUR choice to make.
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