ShellShilo wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:


I don't think we were lied to 24/7.

I was told that the vaccinations would reduce the chances of catching the virus, spreading the virus, being hospitalised with the virus, or dying from the virus.

Reduce the chances, not eliminate the possibility.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Correct.   We were told (correctly) that if we're vaccinated, the chances
of being hospitalised and/or ending up on O₂ in ICU were
reduced.   It was never claimed that the vaccine would prevent death.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:


To my knowledge this was never directly expressed. But it was certainly implied and was implicit. The message is clearly, "Get vaccinated, or have an 88% chance of dying from this disease.". In reality, you only have around a 1% chance of dying from the virus. Whether you are vaccinated or not.

Vaccines can't reduce your chances of being hospitalized, being in ICU, or dying from any virus. This only depends on the condition of your immune system. Hence, why most deaths(89%) are coming from the elderly and the chronically ill. Remember, viruses do not kill their host. It is our immune system that kills us.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 4:10pm:


So, how are there 8 times more unvaccinated dying than vaccinated victims in Australia? Or, are you just saying that this is only occurring in some other country? Vaccines have NOT reduced the number of deaths or cases in Australia, since they became available. The stats clearly show that more deaths have occurred after vaccines were available, than before.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 4:10pm:


I agree with this. But this was the point I was making.  I asked you for the relevance of the foreign stats you posited. How does the 8 to 1 unvaccinated/vaccinated deaths have anything to do with Australia?

So, I take it that you agree, that there is no 8 unvaccinated deaths for every 1 vaccinated deaths, in Australia? So again, WHY are so many vaccinated people dying with/from this virus? Clearly, there are other factors that we should all be considering. Correlation does NOT mean Causality.

I have had four but none much use against new variants coming in.

Will buy a decent mask and set up a small bottle of sanitiser to take in car/pocket.

I have only used soap to wash myself, not body or hand wash.

I doubt I have had it, but should have tested after one 2 day bout of illness (the other 2day bout was clearly just stress related.)

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 7:32pm:


what's a mask going to do f.ckarse ?? LOL

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 5:58pm:


There are two logical fallacies here. A "Red Herring"(saying 100%), and an "Appeal to Incredulity"(no one thinks that any vaccine will straighten teeth or reduce cellulite). Again, "reducing from what?".

If you tell a cop that his bulletproof vest will protect him from a bullet entering his body, I doubt the cop is thinking, that his vest will only reduce the chances of a bullet entering his body.

We were told many times by the media, that vaccines, masks, and distancing, would prevent us from becoming infected, transmitting, and dying from this virus. There are so many references of these comments, that it is a no-brainer. Because none of this was true, the new spin narrative became, we should have known what they meant by "protection from". That's when all the nonsense descriptors were created.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 8:50am:


If there were 100 vaccinated people in hospitals on ventilators, and only 1 unvaccinated person, I still couldn't claim that you are 100 times more likely to end up in ICU if you are vaccinated. Of course the facts are true, BUT THE CLAIM IS FALSE. This is just another logical fallacy(false conclusion/argument from ignorance). There are no causality links established.

This is because there are no direct causality links that can demonstrate this. Vaccines only have a therapeutic value, not a preventative value. You are just looking at  "A"(deaths), and claiming that it was caused by "Z"(being unvaccinated). All the other letters are just being ignored. What caused the thousands of unvaccinated people to survive their infections? Just luck?

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 7^th, 2022 at 5:58pm:


I am so sorry to hear this. I take it that you have type 1 diabetes(autoimmune)? Are you aware of the new research being down to restore your insulin-producing cells?

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 8:50am:


I think that people who choose not to be forced/coerced into sticking a drug into their body, or to wear a covering over their face, ARE NOT ANTIVAXXER CULTISTS! They are strong independent thinkers. They can see that their apathy could only lead the government into forcing people to drink whatever Kool-Aid they wanted. This would set a very dangerous precedent in the future. And, could easily lead to even more invasive types of government intrusions.

This virus is no more lethal than the measles. It is NOT Eboli or Rabies. If we can over-react this way to a novel flu virus, how would we react to a more serious virus? I certainly agree with their message. But I don't scoff at anyone's right to make whatever medical decisions they want. They are not my body, or my life.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 8:50am:


Again, this is more disinformation. India has a population density of 464 people/km2. And, Australia has a population density of only 3 people/km2. So one would expect a lot more people to become infected, or to die in India. Although, its mortality rate is still 1.1%. Do you have any idea what the situation was like in India before this virus? Social measures? Really?

In NYC, those caskets contain the remains of people whose families couldn't afford a proper funeral. It is possible that some of the dead died from this virus. But, it is also possible that none of the victims died from this virus. More disinformation.

This is the same type of inferences/insinuations, and disinformation that the media uses. Also, the Hazmat suits was a nice touch. Especially, since it is very unlikely that they could become infected with this virus, from a dead body. Unless it sneezed. I guess perception and optics is more important then the truth.

What was the message here? That there are so many people dying from this disease in NYC, that the city was forced to use mass graves to bury all of them? Or, that if everyone in India were vaccinated, and followed all social measures, that all/most of those who died could've been saved? I'm afraid this is just more fear-mongering.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 9:15am:


Still takes a lot to beat this one:

"By 1990, no Australian child will be living in poverty"

- Then Prime Minister Bob Hawke, June 23, 1987