Frank wrote on Mar 12^th, 2025 at 10:41am:



It’s surely time we dropped our cynicism and got behind the government’s National Abortion Drive, another noble attempt to kickstart our floundering economy.

The United Kingdom has made great strides of late in this area, recently overtaking France in the number of abortions performed annually, the figures showing the largest increase since this sort of stuff was legalised. The door, then, is already ajar. All we need to do is push a little.

Our elected representatives were intent on doing just that this week by voting for an amendment that will now decriminalise abortion right up to the day of birth. I don’t wish to seem churlish, but to me this demonstrates a marked lack of imagination and ambition. Why not extend the period at which abortions are legal to several months, or even years, after the birth of the child?

I understand that technically this would be known as ‘infanticide’ rather than ‘abortion’, but terminology should not stand in our way. There are plenty of left-wing ethicists, such as Aussie Pete Singer, who believe that infanticide is justifiable in many cases, using broadly the same arguments as those used to justify late-term abortions – that the foetus, or child, could not exist independently without its mother.

Yes, I hear you cry, this is the same Pete Singer who thinks it’s OK to shag dogs. But, as ever, you are missing the context and the caveats. Dr Singer believes that you may give your dog one only if it is part of a rich and caring relationship and does not involve coercion. I understand that it is sometimes a tricky issue to obtain written consent from a Dobermann Pinscher and that given the limited intellectual capacity of many dogs, they may not fully understand what they’re getting themselves involved in. But Dr Singer is, as I have said, an ethicist, so I do not feel sufficiently qualified in challenging his jurisdiction on this issue.

Well, it’s hello to prenatal infanticide in the UK now that MP Tonia Antoniazzi’s amendment to the Crime and Policing Bill has passed the Commons after all of two hours’ debate with 379 MPs voting in favor. Can we get our heads round what that means? Nothing a woman does in relation to her own pregnancy can make her liable to prosecution. At the same age of gestation when premature babies are admitted to neonatal wards with a very good chance of survival, less fortunate fetuses can be killed with impunity by their own mothers. So anyone like Carla Foster, who aborted her baby Lily at 32 weeks’ gestation, will now get off free. There are, in other words, no sanctions for those who kill a fetus at any time right up to birth, so long as it’s your own fetus you’re killing.
https://thespectator.com/topic/british-mps-open-door-infanticide/

This is a tough subject, as a mum for many decades now, I’ve spoken in-depth with many that had abortions. Some horrible stories of back yard abortions because it wasn’t decriminalised.
Going back to the 1950s of my mum’s child bearing age, and for many that migrated here in Oz, with not much money, or support, it was tough, I feel so sad about what many went through. Almost costing their own lives with infection or haemorrhaging.

This is why I say yes to decriminalised abortions.
As if life isn’t going to get tougher financially!
personally I value life and my first baby in 1980 was a “spontaneous abortion” which is actually a miscarriage. But that was a new phrase I never heard before then.
I was very empty feeling after and sad.
I get it others that are not ready would feel relief if they have an abortion.

One elder friend cried after her 20 year old daughter died (an aneurism in the brain) and she admitted to me she had an abortion with fourth baby as she just couldn’t cope. She said she had regrets, but it all surfaced when her daughter died. I loved her daughter, she was just a beautiful spirit.
As shocked as I was about women choosing abortions back then when I was younger and not a mum yet, I had learnt of how traumatic it was for them and I realised I’m not to judge.

Those that choose to terminate their pregnancies, have to live with that forever, as it will somehow creep into their conscience as these things do.

I don’t want to see any female have to go backyard butchers as that’s a huge risk.
If de”termination” is their choice, for that particular time in life, then for their safety I will agree with it.

So there are more questions to answer.
Should motherhood be forced upon a woman if abortion is refused or criminalised (yes or no)
Can a safe procedure to abort be preferenced (yes or no)

I recently was looking at very old photo albums my husband’s mother had put together.
Most of the elderlies in photos were in Italy, neither my husband or myself ever knew our grandparents. I did meet one grandfather when he came to Australia.

I asked husband’s eldest cousin in her 80s which old woman in photo was the grandmother.
When I looked at her, so very sad, a hard life, she had 5 children, and her husband died age 40 with pneumonia. I looked at the photos as it told me a story, something most of us don’t have today, it was the support of people around them. They may be poor, but rich with love and support.
It’s the way to survive and the children look happy.

It must’ve been nice feeling that loving support of the village. And that’s what is lacking for many these modern times. Hence how alone a pregnant female must feel in these times.
I would’ve liked 3-4 children, but I lacked support or that reassurance. I stopped at 2 because I was very isolated and it wasn’t easy. Husband worked long hours, my mum in law had no time for me as she was “too busy” on the farm, my mother had no time for me, “too busy” with family business.
I now think they were the immigrants that came to this country for a better life …. Kind of selfish and thinking work and money was priority rather than a young mum needing help and companionship.
I had 2 bubs close together and both in nappies, and I hadn’t had a good night’s sleep for 3 years.
It took a toll on me.