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Re: ⮞ SCOTUS Strikes Down N.Y. Gun Carry Laws ⮜
Reply #30 - Jun 25^th, 2022 at 3:09am

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 1:02am:

...The democrats and their destruction of the traditional family unit are responsible for mass shootings!

I'm not sure what you're getting at with this claim?

Trump did more in four years to divide families than the Democrats
have (possibly) done in 100 years.

From TIME magazine, 21 January last year:

Quote:

A study from the University of Missouri found that since 2016 when Trump was elected,
family interactions have been more likely to drive highly partisan relatives apart than
bring them together. One of its authors says he had initially thought that having a
family member who was on the opposite side of the aisle might lead to less stereotyping
or dismissing of that person and their views.

The study proved him wrong. “For people who are highly polarized, having a parent or
child who is a member of the other party didn’t make things any better... and it looked
like it probably made things even worse, perhaps because it was such a point of tension
in their family dynamic.”

And who could forget the Trump administration's zero-tolerance policy, which separated
thousands of migrant children (8,549 in December 2018) from their parents at the United
States-Mexico border and classified them as “unaccompanied minors.” This had to rank
as one of the most disgusting acts against humanity that Trump oversaw.

On the other hand, Joe Biden said after his election: “Now it is time to turn the page... to unite. To heal.”

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Re: ⮞ SCOTUS Strikes Down N.Y. Gun Carry Laws ⮜
Reply #32 - Jun 25^th, 2022 at 4:02am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 1:48am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 1:05am:

It's good news

Any law that's contrary to the Constitution is a non-law, an illegality

The law was not contrary to the constitution. There is not one word in the constitution that says that there can be no gun regulations.

Agreed. Nowhere in the very brief 2nd Amendment does it mention anything
about firearms laws as such. Ratified in 1791 (!) it was proposed by James Madison
to allow the creation of civilian forces that can counteract a tyrannical federal
government. The right to "bear" arms generally refers to a person's right to possess
weapons. It says nothing about licensing, background checks, safe storage, open
or concealed carry. Nor does it say anything about forearms (other than single-shot
muskets!) that can fire 800 rounds per minute.

The SCOTUS has interpreted the Constitution's right to bear arms as an individual
self-defense right—despite this purpose not being included in the 2nd Amendment.
Which reflects the Court's current makeup of Republican/NRA/Christian/Right-wing/Trump
justices (sic).

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Re: ⮞ SCOTUS Strikes Down N.Y. Gun Carry Laws ⮜
Reply #33 - Jun 25^th, 2022 at 11:57am

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 1:02am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 12:33am:

Linus wrote on Jun 24^th, 2022 at 9:51am:

I suppose when the next mass shooting occurs, the Republikkkans will offer their crocodile thoughts and prayers once again. Sad

It is at the point where Republican politicians and the supreme court are complicit in these murders.

The democrats and their destruction of the traditional family unit are responsible for mass shootings!

SPOT ON!!!
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Mort

Actually the democ-rats have a lot to answer to when it comes to their own complicity in these mass shootings......

◆ The extreme Leftist democ-rats demonize the police & virtually all authority that they didn't directly control.

◆ The democ-rats replaced the two-parent family with welfare & other free handouts, eliminating the need for fatherhood.

◆ These Leftists demonize certain non-violent protest, while at the same time praise & actually condone violent protestors.

◆ These same Leftists continually ridicule traditional American Values & wholesome American family life.

So yes, the democ-rats were themselves directly complicit in these mass murders, & the decay of the American Society.

Yet, all you hear is how it's the Republicans, & the NRA because they support American Rights & Freedoms.....through the Right to have firearms to be used for self-defense & many other legitimate purposes.

Rather than putting the blame with the sick criminals who commit these heinous crimes, they continually blame an inanimate object......the gun......for all the criminal behavior.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44684	Re: ⮞ SCOTUS Strikes Down N.Y. Gun Carry Laws ⮜ Reply #34 - Jun 25^th, 2022 at 3:20pm
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Re: ⮞ SCOTUS Strikes Down N.Y. Gun Carry Laws ⮜
Reply #35 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 8:13am

Panther wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 11:57am:

So yes, the democrats were themselves directly complicit in these mass
murders, & the decay of the American Society. Yet, all you hear is how
it's the Republicans, & the NRA because they support American Rights &
Freedoms...through the Right to have firearms to be used for self-defense

Not so at all.

The widest Republican-Democrat partisan divides over gun policies are on
proposals to allow concealed carry in more places and to permit teachers
to carry guns.

About seven-in-ten Republicans and Republican leaners favour allowing
concealed carry in more places—72%, and allowing teachers and officials
to carry guns in K-12 schools—69%, whilst only 26% of Democrats and
Democratic leaners favour each of these proposals.

74% of Democrats favour lengthening the waiting period to purchase a gun,
whilst only 48% of Republicans favour this.

And a much greater share of Democrats—65%, than Republicans—32%, say
gun violence is a "very big" problem in the United States. Similarly, Democrats
also are more likely than Republicans—54% vs. 31%, to say gun violence in
their local community is a "very" or "moderately" big problem.

64% of Democrats say there would be fewer mass shootings in the US if it
were harder for people to legally obtain guns; whilst only 27% of Republicans
say the same.

—Data excerpted from Pew Research Center, 23 June 2017.

These data, in conjunction with the Republican dominated SCOTUS are the
major causes of the horrendous gun death statistics in the US. If we're to
apportion political liability, it lies squarely with the Republican Party.

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Re: ⮞ SCOTUS Strikes Down N.Y. Gun Carry Laws ⮜
Reply #36 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 11:58am

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

Panther wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 11:57am:

So yes, the democrats were themselves directly complicit in these mass
murders, & the decay of the American Society. Yet, all you hear is how
it's the Republicans, & the NRA because they support American Rights &
Freedoms...through the Right to have firearms to be used for self-defense

Not so at all.

The widest Republican-Democrat partisan divides over gun policies are on
proposals to allow concealed carry in more places and to permit teachers
to carry guns.

About seven-in-ten Republicans and Republican leaners favour allowing
concealed carry in more places—72%, and allowing teachers and officials
to carry guns in K-12 schools—69%, whilst only 26% of Democrats and
Democratic leaners favour each of these proposals.

74% of Democrats favour lengthening the waiting period to purchase a gun,
whilst only 48% of Republicans favour this.

And a much greater share of Democrats—65%, than Republicans—32%, say
gun violence is a "very big" problem in the United States. Similarly, Democrats
also are more likely than Republicans—54% vs. 31%, to say gun violence in
their local community is a "very" or "moderately" big problem.

64% of Democrats say there would be fewer mass shootings in the US if it
were harder for people to legally obtain guns; whilst only 27% of Republicans
say the same.

—Data excerpted from Pew Research Center, 23 June 2017.

These data, in conjunction with the Republican dominated SCOTUS are the
major causes of the horrendous gun death statistics in the US. If we're to
apportion political liability, it lies squarely with the Republican Party.

Pretty much as I said:

The democrats were themselves directly complicit in these mass
murders, & the decay of the American Society via their policies.

Yet, all you hear from the democ-rats is how it's the Republicans, & the NRA because they support American Rights, Freedoms, & Liberties...through the Right to have firearms to be used for self-defense.

Americans have the Right to Firearms to be used in self-defense & other legitimate purposes.

That is the actual Constitutional Right:

".......the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

If the American People want to change this most fundamental Right of the American People contained within the US Constitution, then the American People alone.....not the US Government......the American People alone must amend their Constitution. The US Constitution is the Peoples Document, not the Government's Document.

The United States Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.

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Re: ⮞ SCOTUS Strikes Down N.Y. Gun Carry Laws ⮜
Reply #37 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 12:07pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 4:02am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 1:48am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2022 at 1:05am:

It's good news

Any law that's contrary to the Constitution is a non-law, an illegality

The law was not contrary to the constitution. There is not one word in the constitution that says that there can be no gun regulations.

Agreed. Nowhere in the very brief 2nd Amendment does it mention anything
about firearms laws as such. Ratified in 1791 (!) it was proposed by James Madison
to allow the creation of civilian forces that can counteract a tyrannical federal
government. The right to "bear" arms generally refers to a person's right to possess
weapons. It says nothing about licensing, background checks, safe storage, open
or concealed carry. Nor does it say anything about forearms (other than single-shot
muskets!) that can fire 800 rounds per minute.

The SCOTUS has interpreted the Constitution's right to bear arms as an individual
self-defense right—despite this purpose not being included in the 2nd Amendment.
Which reflects the Court's current makeup of Republican/NRA/Christian/Right-wing/Trump
justices (sic).

It is interesting that the religious position was originally neutral, The religious right got involved when the right started using it for political gain. It was never the other way around.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60239 Here Gender:	Re: ⮞ SCOTUS Strikes Down N.Y. Gun Carry Laws ⮜ Reply #38 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 12:09pm Funny that SCOTUS supports state rights on abortion but not guns.
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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11758 Gender:	Re: ⮞ SCOTUS Strikes Down N.Y. Gun Carry Laws ⮜ Reply #39 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 1:09pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 12:09pm: Funny that SCOTUS supports state rights on abortion but not guns. They can't......The Right to Keep & Bear Arms is a Right of the People, whereas, nowhere in the US Constitution does it say Abortion is a Right......period
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44684	Re: ⮞ SCOTUS Strikes Down N.Y. Gun Carry Laws ⮜ Reply #40 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 1:39pm
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