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No Thanks Mr Joyce, We Don't Want Nuclear Power
May 31st, 2022 at 1:00pm
 
Barnaby Joyce goes nuclear, in first speech since losing Nationals leadership
May 31 2022
The New Daily

Ousted Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has urged the new federal government to “come on board” with moving Australia to nuclear energy.   Sad

Speaking for the first time since he lost the leadership to David Littleproud on Monday, Mr Joyce also backed his replacement’s call to move to nuclear energy.   

“Let’s be brave enough and start saying things like nuclear energy. Otherwise, you’re going to come up with this implausible position where you say ‘I want to achieve this but I really don’t have the technology to do it’,” he said on Tuesday.   

“I’d love to see the Labor Party come on board with us and not turn it into some sort of ridiculous: ‘You’re going to put a nuclear reactor in someone’s backyard’, which just divides place up.”

The moment Barnaby Joyce started losing his grip on leadership
After winning the Nationals’ leadership spill on Monday, Mr Littleproud said it was time for Australia to hold a “mature” conversation on nuclear energy, which remains subject to a bipartisan moratorium.

Mr Joyce also lobbed another bomb into Australian politics on Tuesday, declaring he had always planned to move away from leading his party, after post-election negotiations for a new Coalition agreement.

The Nationals retained all their seats at the federal election under Mr Joyce, but his leadership was challenged by David Littleproud and Darren Chester, with the former ultimately being successful.

Despite contesting the Nationals leadership on Monday, Mr Joyce called the loss of the spill “a weight off my shoulders”.

“I always said I was transitioning out of the leadership, and that’s what I was going to do,” he said.

“I obviously didn’t want to do it yesterday, but that’s life, it’s politics.”

He said he would stay on as member for the NSW seat of New England for the full term.

Mr Joyce said while he believed he was in a strong position to negotiate the new coalition agreement as the Nationals push for extra representation in shadow cabinet, Mr Littleproud would do a good job.

“Obviously you back yourself in. I know how to negotiate and walk into these things as a business person,” he said.

The former leader lauded his negotiation skills after bargaining a near $30 billion concession from Scott Morrison to sign up to net-zero emissions ahead of the election.

“I’m a little old bush accountant. I know how to do a deal,” he said.

Mr Littleproud said the incoming leadership – which includes new deputy leader Perin Davey – was best placed to take back government at the 2025 election. But he would still draw on the experience of Mr Joyce.

“This isn’t a reflection on the achievements of Barnaby Joyce in any way, shape or form,” he said.

“This is just about who was prepared to lead in 2025 and not have to shift leadership teams halfway through [the term].

“We wanted to have continuity from today, to have a stable leadership team right through, to be able to also have a team around that we’ll take towards 2025.”

Mr Littleproud beat Mr Joyce and Victorian MP Darren Chester for the Nationals leadership at a marathon two-and-a-half-hour party room meeting on Monday

Senator Davey edged out NSW MP Kevin Hogan and Victorian member Anne Webster for the deputy’s position.

Victorian senator Bridget McKenzie will remain as Nationals leader in the Senate.

Mr Littleproud said the Nationals would continue fighting for regional Australia.

“I want to make sure we get our fair share. If we don’t, you’ll hear from me,” he said.

While the Liberals and Nationals needed to remain in coalition to form a viable alternative government, neither party needed to compromise on its core values, Mr Littleproud said.

“We respect the fact we can’t win government by ourselves and the Liberals can’t win government by themselves, so a strong coalition is important,” he said.

“But respecting each other’s values and principles is important in achieving that. If we do that, I’m sure we’ll have a very strong alternative to the current government.”

Mr Joyce rejected arguments the strong stance from him and his colleagues on coalmining was a drag on the Liberal vote, despite acknowledging throughout the campaign he was not popular in the inner cities.

“If you’re the Liberal Party and in a suburban seat, then ask yourself the question: ‘What went wrong for me?’. Don’t start looking around for somebody else to blame,” he said.

“You’re not really facing up to your own dilemma.

“The other thing is you’re just up against an ‘it’s time’ proposition.

“People change the curtains sometimes not because the curtains don’t work, they’re just sick of them.”
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Reply #1 - May 31st, 2022 at 1:18pm
 
If you want rid of coal or gas, nuclear is the only option. All these so-called 'renewables' are inefficient and short lived, with much of their material not being recyclable. They are merely a way for rich investors to make money while pretending to care for the environment.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - May 31st, 2022 at 1:20pm
 
The correct answer is yes we need renewable power.   Sad
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Reply #3 - May 31st, 2022 at 1:24pm
 
Belgarion wrote on May 31st, 2022 at 1:18pm:
If you want rid of coal or gas, nuclear is the only option. All these so-called 'renewables' are inefficient and short lived, with much of their material not being recyclable. They are merely a way for rich investors to make money while pretending to care for the environment.   Roll Eyes   


Have you EVER read a book?
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Re: No Thanks Mr Joyce, We Don't Want Nuclear Power
Reply #4 - May 31st, 2022 at 2:48pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 31st, 2022 at 1:24pm:
Belgarion wrote on May 31st, 2022 at 1:18pm:
If you want rid of coal or gas, nuclear is the only option. All these so-called 'renewables' are inefficient and short lived, with much of their material not being recyclable. They are merely a way for rich investors to make money while pretending to care for the environment.   Roll Eyes   


Have you EVER read a book?


She just got the short version from Paul Murray on SkyNews, don't be too hard on her.
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Reply #5 - May 31st, 2022 at 3:08pm
 
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‘You’re going to put a nuclear reactor in someone’s backyard’, which just divides place up.”


Yes they say this and then in the implementation they do put it in someone's backyard.

Guess what - it won't be going in theirs and yes it will divide the place up.

Pointing out the problem early isn't creating a problem, it was always there. It isn't dividing the community that was always going to be the result.
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Reply #6 - May 31st, 2022 at 3:13pm
 
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Mr Joyce said


Here is the problem: - Who in their right mind listens to this nong?

Man remember it was only a couple of years ago he couldn't even correctly work out his own nationality?

If he said that the sky was blue I would go out and check.

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Reply #7 - May 31st, 2022 at 3:40pm
 
I do not think that Nuclear is still up to the standard that we need for it to be used in Australia.

How could we do it ?

We could never trust for it to be run as a private concern the risk would be much too great.

Do not see running it as a public enterprise would be any better. We are a far too casual people, I see no outcome that would not resemble Homer Simpson a bit too closely.

Anything private would be profit driven and corner cutting would be the practise, I see that as the for never option.

One day but not the current technology.
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Reply #8 - May 31st, 2022 at 3:50pm
 
Have people forgotten how close we came to disaster  when Russia   stormed  the Nuclear  power  station in Ukraine?   Too much of a risk of being abused by terrorists  to even consider it...and then  there are natural disasters  which  could  pose a  problem.
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Reply #9 - May 31st, 2022 at 4:06pm
 
The Chinese were a threat when liberal party were in , now that we have a competent government who dont spruik their reds under the bed crap the diplomats will smooth things over , much to the relief of our foreign traders who lost hundreds of billions whilst libtards shot their mouths off on the telly most nights
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Reply #10 - May 31st, 2022 at 5:22pm
 
I see the science denying Luddites are out in force. More to be pitied  than scorned.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - May 31st, 2022 at 5:22pm
 
Nuclear takes far too long to build and is far too expensive.

Possible exception would be modular reactors.

A rigid NO! to nuclear is not right and not needed. If done right nuclearc could be a back up to renewables.

One energy source not being used, tho available in the Cooper Basin—geothermal energy. Cooper Basic could supply Qld-NSW–Vic-SA.
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Reply #12 - May 31st, 2022 at 5:30pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 31st, 2022 at 5:22pm:
Nuclear takes far too long to build and is far too expensive.

Possible exception would be modular reactors.

A rigid NO! to nuclear is not right and not needed. If done right nuclearc could be a back up to renewables.

One energy source not being used, tho available in the Cooper Basin—geothermal energy.
Cooper Basic could supply Qld-NSW–Vic-SA.




Will Albanese organise it?

https://arena.gov.au/projects/cooper-basin-enhanced-geothermal-systems-heat-and-...



This technology does not rely on volcanic systems but uses hot basement granite rocks to generate electricity. Hot granite rocks in South Australia’s Cooper Basin reach temperatures in excess of 280 degrees Celsius.

This geothermal energy resource is accessed by drilling wells 4-5 kilometres deep into the granite rock and pumping water at high pressure into the rock to open up its naturally occurring fracture systems. Water is then circulated down injection wells into the hot rocks, through the granite and back up the production wells.

The energy in the hot geothermal brine produced at the surface was used to drive a steam turbine and produced electricity. This project is the first demonstration of EGS geothermal electricity generation in Australia. The 1 MWe Habanero pilot plant operated for 160 days in 2013 and prior to closure of the trial, the plant was operating at 19kg/s and 215 degrees celsius production well head temperature.
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Reply #13 - May 31st, 2022 at 5:39pm
 
Or there is hydrogen—very probematic as hydrogen leaks during production, storage and use:

https://indaily.com.au/news/2022/05/31/design-and-delivery-callout-for-sa-hydrog...
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Reply #14 - May 31st, 2022 at 6:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 31st, 2022 at 5:30pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on May 31st, 2022 at 5:22pm:
Nuclear takes far too long to build and is far too expensive.

Possible exception would be modular reactors.

A rigid NO! to nuclear is not right and not needed. If done right nuclearc could be a back up to renewables.

One energy source not being used, tho available in the Cooper Basin—geothermal energy.
Cooper Basic could supply Qld-NSW–Vic-SA.




Will Albanese organise it?

https://arena.gov.au/projects/cooper-basin-enhanced-geothermal-systems-heat-and-...



This technology does not rely on volcanic systems but uses hot basement granite rocks to generate electricity. Hot granite rocks in South Australia’s Cooper Basin reach temperatures in excess of 280 degrees Celsius.

This geothermal energy resource is accessed by drilling wells 4-5 kilometres deep into the granite rock and pumping water at high pressure into the rock to open up its naturally occurring fracture systems. Water is then circulated down injection wells into the hot rocks, through the granite and back up the production wells.

The energy in the hot geothermal brine produced at the surface was used to drive a steam turbine and produced electricity. This project is the first demonstration of EGS geothermal electricity generation in Australia. The 1 MWe Habanero pilot plant operated for 160 days in 2013 and prior to closure of the trial, the plant was operating at 19kg/s and 215 degrees celsius production well head temperature.

Its not viable given the depth etc, especially when all they have to do is drill a hole just about anywhere in the Cooper Basin and extract gas and oil. Wind power would beat that hands down and then solar.
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