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Paul Keating Slams Coalition's Super Policy
May 16th, 2022 at 6:13am
 
Paul Keating attacks Coalition’s super for housing policy as economists warn of soaring prices   

May 16 2022
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A Coalition plan to allow first-home buyers to use their superannuation to buy property has been slammed as a “frontal assault” on super that would light a fire under house prices.

Announced at the party’s campaign launch in Brisbane on Sunday, the policy would allow first-home buyers to use up to 40 per cent of their superannuation savings, up to a maximum value of $50,000, to help buy a home.

The uncapped ‘Super Home Buyer Scheme‘ would apply to new and existing homes, with the invested amount and a share of any capital gain to be returned to home buyers’ superannuation funds once they sell their property.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison told the campaign launch that helping young voters buy their own homes was the best way to help them achieve financial security in their retirement.

But economists said the policy would drive up house prices while former Labor leader Paul Keating, the architect of the compulsory super system, said it amounted to “no more than another frontal assault by the Liberal Party on the superannuation system”.   Sad

“The Liberals hate the superannuation system – they object to working Australians having wealth in retirement independent of the government,” Mr Keating said in a statement.

“The Libs believe ordinary bods should be happy with the age pension. Let them know their place.

“If the public needs yet another idea to put this intellectually corrupt government to death, this is an important offence – and with the government, its unprincipled Prime Minister.”


Economists warn of short-term price shock
The policy idea was previously spruiked by Liberal MPs including Tim Wilson, who is at risk of defeat in the Victorian seat of Goldstein, but it failed to get up under former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull.

The Coalition says the plan would make it easier for Australians to buy a home by reducing the time it takes to save for a deposit by an average of three years.

But economists argue the policy would simply push up house prices, at least in the short term. 

Grattan Institute economic policy program director Brendan Coates told The New Daily the plan would increase prices by boosting demand. But he added that prices should stabilise down the track.

Mr Coates said he was unable to estimate how much house prices would go up in the immediate future if the policy was implemented.

“Once you deal with that bring forward with demand, as people saving for a deposit use the scheme to get themselves over the line, the impact of housing prices over the long term will be relatively modest,” he said.

Over the long term, accessing up to 40 per cent of super will just become “an established part of how a lot of people think about getting into the housing market”.

Mr Coates said the policy should not affect people’s ability to save enough money for retirement, as under the superannuation guarantee “people save too much anyway”.

The current rate of employer-mandated contributions is 10 per cent of a person’s salary, but this is legislated to rise to 12 per cent by July 2025.

“The rate of compulsory super is already too high and so from that sense I don’t think this is going to condemn anyone to a life of poverty in retirement if they use this to buy their own home,” he said.

“It provides more support to people that already have more because they’re using their own super to get into the market.”


‘Reckless inflation’
Independent economist Saul Eslake was more scathing of the plan, telling The New Daily that “this reckless inflation of house prices must stop … and this is what this scheme will not do”.

He said if the maximum amount is withdrawn, the policy would allow single households to pay $250,000 and couples $600,000 more than what they otherwise would on a new house.

“We have now almost 60 years of evidence going back to the first-home owners grant scheme that the Menzies government introduced in 1964 … that schemes which allow Australians to pay more for housing than they otherwise would result in more expensive housing, not in higher home ownership rates,” he said.

“You have to ask yourself: Why do politicians keep doing things in the face of such overwhelming evidence that they don’t work?

“The only answer that I can give is, for all the crocodile tears they shed about the difficulties faced by would-be young first-home buyers, they know that in a typical year there are only 100,000 of them who succeed.

“What they also know is there are 11 million people who own at least one home, within that there are two million people who own two or more homes, and the last thing they want is any government to do anything that restrains the rate at which house prices go up.”

Mr Eslake conceded that the house price increase would “have a one-time impact” and the rate of house price inflation would not go up permanently.

“But, the house prices will be higher than they otherwise would have been,” he said.

Both Mr Eslake and Mr Coates agreed that capping the policy would have gone some way towards limiting a potential house price hike.

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Reply #1 - May 16th, 2022 at 6:52am
 
Declining affordability
Data released earlier this month by CoreLogic and ANZ Bank revealed that many households have gone backwards in their efforts to overcome the property deposit hurdle in the two years to March, with soaring house prices far outpacing income growth.   Sad

Modelling released five months ago by the McKell Institute found that allowing prospective buyers to access $40,000 of their superannuation would push up house prices in Sydney by more than $40,000 and in Brisbane by almost $100,000.

It found an additional $25 billion of debt would be incurred by Melbourne households while debt in Sydney would increase by $23 billion.

Labor’s housing spokesperson Jason Clare described the Coalition’s policy as “the last desperate act of a dying government”.  Sad

“Every heavy hitter in the Liberal Party of the last generation that have looked at this issue have knocked it on the head – whether it is John Howard, Peter Costello, Malcolm Turnbull or Mathias Cormann,” he said.

It comes after a parliamentary committee chaired by Liberal MP Jason Falinski recommended in March that the government allow buyers to use their superannuation as security for a home loan but not as a deposit.

In its final report released on March 18, the committee noted that “allowing first-home buyers to access or borrow against part of their super to purchase a home would, in the absence of increased housing supply, likely increase demand and lead to higher property prices”.

Labor’s housing affordability policy is based on the government taking on up to 40 per cent of the cost and equity in a new home up to a value of $380,000.

Under the ‘Help to Buy’ plan, home buyers would avoid paying lenders mortgage insurance and would take on far less debt. They could then buy back the government’s stake in stages, or pay it back after the eventual sale of their homes.

Mr Eslake said that Labor’s policy would also put upwards pressure on house prices, but to a lesser degree than the Coalition’s plan due to stricter eligibility requirements.
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Reply #2 - May 16th, 2022 at 7:48am
 
What Paul Keating didn't say was this : he himself proposed the same idea when he last ran for PM.
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Reply #3 - May 16th, 2022 at 8:10am
 
The average super balance for men aged 25-34 is $41,700 according to the ABS.

That means if they didn't take out the 20k during COVID, that's only 16k or 8k if they did. If that 8-16k makes all the difference they're going to be annihilated by the rate rises.

It's also in the range of the first home buyers grants that just pushed the prices up for the exact amount of the grants, which Barnaby just addmited was the point, to reduce the projected 10-15% drop in the next year.

It's not good policy, no matter how many "But Labor" cries the Neanderthals make.
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Reply #4 - May 16th, 2022 at 8:15am
 
Keating is right

Lots of people raided their super during the scam damic
To buy things like mag wheels and tattoos

Insane

Same as Clive Palmer's insane idea to repatriate overseas invested super

What businesses are you going to invest it in in Australia

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Reply #5 - May 16th, 2022 at 8:32am
 
The only way to reduce house prices sto increase supply

We need less public servants
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We need some people who know how to use a hammer
And a shovel
And we need them to knock up some houses

Allowing people to access super
Just increases the demand side
Whilst doing nothing for the supply side
And the consequence has to be increased prices
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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2022 at 8:37am
 
This policy will translate into future tax burden for tax payers in 20 to 30 years time.   

It is another government intervention in market economy.

Higher house prices will lead to further restrictions of business activity. 

This policy will be a disaster for small business. 

Liberal has run out ideas, this is more a far left leaning idea, not right wing, free market idea.  Do not vote for this.
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Reply #7 - May 16th, 2022 at 10:42am
 
It is moving your own money from one asset class into another and ending the loss of money that you never get back by renting.

Getting out of renting is the big thing. Instead of having to save up over 5 years for example to get a deposit together, wasting 5 years of lost rent money, you get to start building your biggest asset - a home.

Having a home in retirement beats the crap out of renting in retirement.

BTW ... I'm not saying this policy is going to save the ScoMo government. I reckon ScoMo is GAWN.

I do think this first home buyers policy is better than Albo's first home buyers policy though.



The Libs reckon this:

The Coalition estimates a couple purchasing a medium value home of $750,000 and who have saved a 5 per cent deposit ($37,500) would have a mortgage of $712,500 and a monthly repayment of $3,180 (this factors in a 3.45 per cent interest rate based on the average discounted mortgage rate according to RBA data)

The same couple who used the maximum permitted amount under the scheme ($100,000) would have a deposit of $137,500 (or 18 per cent) and have a mortgage of $612,500 with a monthly repayment of $2733

The Coalition estimates the couple would save around $446 a month (about $5350 a year) if they used the scheme and it will cut three years off the time it takes to save a deposit.



Seems like a good idea to me.

When the home is eventually sold, the money taken out from Super has to go back in plus the capital gain made so in the end, the Super balance is not damaged very much.

In the meantime, it prevents losing all that rent money which otherwise would have been lost forever.
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Reply #8 - May 16th, 2022 at 10:57am
 
Quote:
“The Liberals hate the superannuation system – they object to working Australians having wealth in retirement independent of the government,” Mr Keating said in a statement.

The Libs believe ordinary bods should be happy with the age pension. Let them know their place.


The Liberals don't even like the idea of "ordinary bods" being happy with just the age pension seeing as they've 'toyed' with the idea of putting the pension age up to 70 and also putting age pensioners on the cashless welfare card.

Hopefully, these stupid ideas (along with the Federal Liberals) will be put in the bin for good after next Saturday.
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Reply #9 - May 16th, 2022 at 11:01am
 
Smirko also has a new home builder policy and an old fart downsize policy which could all work together to make owning a home easier for the young'uns.   Cool

I reckon this suite of policies has merit and I know it does because the Lefties are going ballistic over it.  Grin
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Reply #10 - May 16th, 2022 at 12:04pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:32am:
The only way to reduce house prices sto increase supply

We need less public servants
Social workers
Support workers
Occupational health and safety officers
Human resources staff
Environmental officers
Lawyers
Bean counters
People holding up traffic control signs
Dietitians
Occupational therapists
Workers compensation staff
Speech therapists
Exercise physiologists


We need some people who know how to use a hammer
And a shovel
And we need them to knock up some houses





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To me, femininity was connected to empathy and kindness while masculinity equated to being frigid.

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Reply #11 - May 16th, 2022 at 12:35pm
 
lol @ frank.

low status males like that who try to suck up to women are actually kind of disgusting to women.

the last thing a woman wants is to have a son who is too anxious, too sensitive, too delicate.

hence they reject the advances of men who try to be their "girlfriends'

its a non fruitful mode of being
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Reply #12 - May 16th, 2022 at 12:38pm
 
Under Labor's scheme, a home buyer could end up almost half a $Million worse off.


First-home buyers could save about $1000 a month on their mortgage repayments by choosing Labor’s Help to Buy scheme over the government’s First Home Guarantee, but may trade off up to $455,000 in equity gains, new modelling shows.

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https://www.theage.com.au/property/news/will-first-home-buyers-be-better-off-usi...
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Reply #13 - May 16th, 2022 at 12:44pm
 
The Govt has no business co-owning a % of private dwellings.

Using some super to help by a house is far better but Id add the catch that whatever you pull out of super either has to go back into your super if the property is sold, (+ appreciation) or go into another PPOR.
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Reply #14 - May 16th, 2022 at 12:49pm
 
Something to keep in mind, Paul Keating is an elitist pig who personally sneers at the Everyman.  He spends half his life at the Double Bay auction rooms snapping up property and personally driving up prices.

His kids and grandkids have also followed in his footsteps and also rich pretentious money bragging schits.
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