lee wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 12:42pm:


Either way, increasingly catastrophic weather events, whether CO2 related or not, are going to have to be resourced: note I said RESOURCED (since money is created out of thin air, money is not a problem, see the MMT thread).

Oh, and at the same time, we might as well increasingly power the energy grid on free sunshine and wind,
- funded by the BIS (with its unlimited currency-issuing capacity) utilizing resources as appropriate ie NOT in the profit-seeking  free market  -  to end the energy poverty in the 3rd world.

 

lee wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:


Er.....the last four years, globally,  speak for themselves.

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Why do you think 700 million Indians are still burning cow dung? 

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Get back to me when the world is running on the easily achieved c. 80% renewables, to see whether we need nuclear as base load in order to turn off fossils completely.

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That's because the world is still controlled by private financiers seeking profits in free markets (the mob responsible for Sri Lanka's overseas debt).  They need to be put out to pasture by a reformed international public financing system.   

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 11:09pm:



Oh only four years. I thought it was about climate.

But which events have not happened before or were worse than before?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 11:09pm:


Because they don't have the infrastructure. And they won't have the infrastructure building renewables.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 11:09pm:



Another SWAG. That's the only thing you are good at.

.thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 11:09pm:



Even though China and India have their own large fossil fuel reserves it is the evil internationals who are causing it all.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 16^th, 2022 at 7:27pm:



And yet you haven't cited any "increasing occurrence of climate /weather catastrophes"

thegreatdivide wrote on May 16^th, 2022 at 7:27pm:

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Current heatwave in India? More frequent than when?

Recurrent flooding in Queensland? Similar to the 1890's flooding. Climate changes you have to show it is CO2 induced and not natural variation.

http://www.bom.gov.au/qld/flood/fld_history/brisbane_history.shtml

lee wrote on May 16^th, 2022 at 9:08pm:


..er..labour is cheap in the 3rd world, yet governments cannot afford vital infrastructure; and private companies - if they see an opportunity -  only extract profits for themselves, not the nation.


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By definition, "empirical evidence" is gained by doing, not by theory.

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Solely? The limit will be discovered empirically. eg how much of the world's hot-desert solar power/off-shore wind can be stored, in sufficient quantity, for a 100% renewable energy economy.

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Apparently there isn't enough coal in India.

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Wrong.

1. Chinese economists haven't liberated themselves from neoliberal market economy dogma, hence their  misplaced concerns over debt.  China, like everyone else, could be transitioning to green much faster than is possible in the private sector market economy, by building the large scale storage needed - paid for the the PBofC, not by privately financed debt.

Hence China is still building coal plants because they are "cheaper" to achieve secure back-up, cf. eg, large scale, pumped-hydro storage.

2. But China is seeking pollution-free energy sources, ie free from CO2 (since China accepts climate science), and fossil-generated, health-damaging filth, to achieve clean air in the cities;  so the drive to renewables will continue.

lee wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 3:07pm:


Of course -  with at least 80% (or higher) security with present technology; get on with it, and deal with the last 20% when we come to it.

Btw, climate 'hysteria' on the media is  driving the Oz election, just in case you didn't know.

And even if this very real 'hysteria' is wrongly based - ie,  it's actually a  symptom of the failure of current dysfunctional global capitalist markets to serve the real needs of  people,  action for positive change will still be demanded by the people.

Hence you lose, regardless of the veracity of climate change theory; the fact is the global economy is imploding all around us.

https://scheerpost.com/2022/05/04/ellen-brown-a-monetary-reset-where-the-rich-do...

Ellen Brown: A Monetary Reset Where the Rich Don’t Own Everything

May 4, 2022

"We have a serious debt problem, but solutions such as the World Economic Forum’s “Great Reset” are not the future we want. It’s time to think outside the box for some new solutions".

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It's being done, despite of the resistance from fossil interests. Of course it can be sped up remarkably....

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No, I want the World Bank/IMF/BIS to pay for it in the developing world.

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India has the equal largest population in the world (with China); their supplies aren't sufficient which is why Adani wants Oz coal, to increase his own profits from extracting filthy fossils. 

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With large scale storage,  yes.  That's where the BIS is needed.

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Eliminating filthy fossil pollution in India's and China's populous  cities isn't a SWAG, it's a matter of life and death. 

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A 74 year-old  Indian yesterday saying "he has never experienced a heat wave like this'.

Hysteria? But anyway, your privately-financed, global market economy is responsible for nations' economies  failing everywhere.

Time's up, as noted by Ellen Brown, above. 

lee wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:


From the latest IPCC report, 2022:

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg2/resources/spm-headline-statements


D2. Climate resilient development is enabled when governments, civil society and the private sector make inclusive development choices that prioritise risk reduction, equity and justice, and when decision-making processes, finance and actions are integrated across governance levels, sectors and timeframes (very high confidence). Climate resilient development is facilitated by international cooperation and by governments at all levels working with communities, civil society, educational bodies, scientific and other institutions, media, investors and businesses; and by developing partnerships with traditionally marginalised groups, including women, youth, Indigenous Peoples, local communities and ethnic minorities (high confidence). These partnerships are most effective when supported by enabling political leadership, institutions, resources, including finance, as well as climate services, information and decision support tools (high confidence).

Like I said, the  days of private, market-based energy production  are over.

lee wrote on May 19^th, 2022 at 11:58am:


Are you claiming the IPCC is divided in its findings?

Meanwhile:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hottest-years-record-climate-change-copernicus/

"The past seven years have been the hottest ever recorded globally "by a clear margin," according to findings released Monday by scientists with the European Union's Copernicus Climate Change Service. Though 2021 was not quite as warm as other recent years, scientists warned that global greenhouse gas emissions are continuing to rise".
Carbon dioxide and methane concentrations are continuing to increase year on year and without signs of slowing down," Vincent-Henri Peuch, director of the Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service, said in the release. "Only with determined efforts backed up by observational evidence can we make a real difference in our fight against the climate catastrophe."

The heat was especially repressive in Europe last summer. The continent experienced its warmest summer on record, and Sicily broke the European record for hottest recorded temperature when it reached 119.8 degrees Fahrenheit (though the findings have not yet been confirmed by the World Meteorological Organization).