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Reply #375 - Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:28pm
 
Today, from a list of 230 countries and territory states, Australia is
at #8 position with +2,448 active COVID cases.

With 15,870 deaths, we have more deaths than Cuba, Denmark, Israel,
Nigeria, China, Hong Kong, Afghanistan, Venezuela, and South Korea to
name just a few.     How bad is that?

People who deny the coming increase in both the increasing numbers of
newly infected people and potential new deaths, as well as the likelihood
of new—possibly more virulent stains of the SARS-CoV-2 virus—need to
crawl out from under their rocks and take note of what virologists and
epidemiologists are saying worldwide.

Australia has recorded 402,168 cases/1m with a 26,068,792 pop.

Canada has recorded 113,510 cases/1m with a 38,388,419 pop.

Which illustrates that we aren't doing nearly as well as we should be with
mask wearing and minimal separation in public places.  I note too that the
Victorian government health department is requesting that people return
to wearing masks again.  

Predictably, and laughably, this will upset the anti-vaxxer mob.     Roll Eyes

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Reply #376 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 9:04am
 
From Ontario, where the flu season has just begun.

This should ring warning bells about what will probably happen here in Australia when next year's flu season arrives.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonathanCOnP/status/1592129390984704002

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Reply #377 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 5:41pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:28pm:
Today, from a list of 230 countries and territory states, Australia is
at #8 position with +2,448 active COVID cases.

With 15,870 deaths, we have more deaths than Cuba, Denmark, Israel,
Nigeria, China, Hong Kong, Afghanistan, Venezuela, and South Korea to
name just a few.     How bad is that?

People who deny the coming increase in both the increasing numbers of
newly infected people and potential new deaths, as well as the likelihood
of new—possibly more virulent stains of the SARS-CoV-2 virus—need to
crawl out from under their rocks and take note of what virologists and
epidemiologists are saying worldwide.

Australia has recorded 402,168 cases/1m with a 26,068,792 pop.

Canada has recorded 113,510 cases/1m with a 38,388,419 pop.

Which illustrates that we aren't doing nearly as well as we should be with
mask wearing and minimal separation in public places.  I note to that the
Victorian government health department is requesting that people return
to wearing masks again.  

Predictably, and laughably, this will upset the anti-vaxxer mob.     Roll Eyes



As of Nov. 15th, 2022 in Australia, and over the last 3 years of this pandemic, there've been a total of 10,456,663 confirmed cases of Covid-19(or people testing positive to the antibody). Out these total cases, there have been 15,066 Covid-19 RELATED deaths. There've been 10,364,130 people who have RECOVERED from Covid-19. This leaves 107,206 currently infected patients, and 10,380,011 cases that had an outcome. This leave 107,206 still active cases in all of Australia(0.4% of the population). This means that 99.6% of the Australian population is NOT currently infected with this virus.

This also represents a mortality rate of 0.14%. Or less than 3% of the total death in Australia each day. Based on the average mortality rate, we would expect to see 107,055 people recovering, and 150 people dying from this virus.

Again, I don't see the relevance of what's happening in Ontario, or any other place outside of Australia. Unless you're just fear-mongering, by using whatever self-serving stats you can find outside of Australia. Can't you find the stats to support your claims, here in Australia?

Also, why didn't you mention that people who have been vaccinated with one dose, are also included with the unvaccinated people? People might think that being categorized as unvaccinated, does not include anyone who has been vaccinated. I think this would certainly add to the total numbers of those in the  unvaccinated category. This would give a false and deceptive conclusion. In Australia, commonsense alone is all that we need to see the truth. Maybe just a little cognitive effort. Smiley 

Finally, are you suggesting that if Australians had followed all mandates and protocols to the letter, that our Covid-19 footprint would've been smaller? How much more could we have done, to destroy all the  hopes, dreams, and freedoms of all Australians? Just because global optics is more important? Just how far are you willing to go to destroy more Australian lives, our economy, and even our culture(vaccine mask-wearing junkies)? All, because of a flu virus no more lethal than the measles? I think that it is just folly, to think that we  can kill something that isn't even alive.

It is just childish to think you can keep 26M people 2 meters apart indefinitely. Maybe we should imprison everyone in their own cell? Masks have the potential of doing more harm than good. The virus can also enter your eyes. It can even embed itself in your skin. It can live on many surfaces, and linger in the air. It is also impossible to follow these protocols 100% of the time. And, it only takes ONE time to not follow them to become infected.

Now these are the true and ongoing facts. They are  relevant ONLY to Australia. I also doubt that anyone is in denial about the increased numbers of those infected. But the mortality rate is all that matters. That is, just how many people are dying? The demographics and why? Even the Spanish Flu had a mortality rate of 1-3%. And, back then, there was no antibiotics to treat  the infectious pneumonia that actually killed those seriously infected.

In Florida, the Surgeon General(Joseph A. Ladapo), has issued the advice, to NOT recommend anyone 16-29yo to take any mRNA vaccines. Mainly because the causal link between these vaccines and myocarditis and pericarditis, has been clearly established by science. Should we also listen to him? You should really have a listen to Kim Iversen on this virus. She's a UC Davis graduate in Journalism, as well as a progressive. Her views are generally very well-balanced and factual.   



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Reply #378 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 6:17pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 9:04am:
From Ontario, where the flu season has just begun.

This should ring warning bells about what will probably happen here in Australia when next year's flu season arrives.



This fails to mention that there are only 112 Pediatric ICU beds in the entire Province of Ontario. It tries to imply that the SARS-CoV-2 virus is the direct cause of this inflated crisis. It also ignores that the current 117 serious ill pediatric cases(INCLUDING SOME WITH Covid-19-related causes), represents only 4% above operating capacity. There are many protocols in place that these hospitals can use. The excess patients are treated in regular ICU beds.

In Australia there are 2,183 pediatric ICU beds. And none are operating above its capacity. So, again, relevance?

I never worry about what COULD happen. Especially, when I already know what IS happening.


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Reply #379 - Dec 18th, 2022 at 10:00pm
 
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The @nytimes that recommends we all mask
Says there is strong evidence masking helps
Click on the word 'evidence' and it leads to a cluster RCT that was.... wait for it...
Negative. 
It Failed to show a benefit of masking

The strongest evidence they can find is negative!

https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1603046475281223680?cxt=HHwWgMCi2dSRlb8s...


Fake news pushing their narrative again.

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Reply #380 - Dec 18th, 2022 at 10:42pm
 
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The perfect photo to sum up 5 days of bone marrow transplant & blood cancer docs conference #ASH22  👇

Not a mask in sight, packed indoor setting
Multiply this x10000

It's time to end the charade
Stop virtue signalling
Abolish masking in hospitals
https://sensiblemed.substack.com/p/its-past-tim

https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1602802423705128963


When you look at the data and realise masks don't stop viral infections you stop wearing them.

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Reply #381 - Dec 18th, 2022 at 10:44pm
 
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Reply #382 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 11:06am
 
I'll have a look and see if there's any change in the unmasked when I go up to Belmont Forum later.

https://twitter.com/NjbBari3/status/1609791363310325761

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Something has very slightly changed.

Previously most people ignored me wearing a mask. Occasional head nod/smile from someone else in a mask.

Today, I sensed unmasked people feeling uncomfortable. ->


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Not hatred. Not anger. Can’t put my finger on it…


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Doubt?


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Several people looked at me and then had a brief flash of an expression on their face that I normally associate with suddenly remembering something.

Maybe they suddenly remembered their mask? Probably left in a dusty corner of their house?


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I hope that this sense of unease resolves into either increased mask use (ideally) or back to ignoring (less ideal but not immediately dangerous).

Worst case scenario is that this unease becomes hatred and violence. I sincerely hope not. 😞


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China.  Images from China & how ‘well’ it’s going there.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This. 100%
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Reply #383 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 11:35am
 
Hi Carl

Everyone in China wears a mask

China is estimated to currently have 250 million people infected with covid
They are getting 25 million new cases a day
That's the population of Australia catching the virus everyday

It has the highest r0 of any virus we have dealt with

A plane flying into Italy from China
Returned 52% of people positive for covid

You can't stop this with a mask
Stop being silly

Nothing can stop kovid

Except perhaps catching it and developing a strong immune response

What did China achieve through their crazy zero covid policy
250 million cases all-at-once

If you don't like the situation here on planet Earth
See if Elon can give you a lift to Mars
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Reply #384 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 4:19pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 11:35am:
Hi Carl

Everyone in China wears a mask

China is estimated to currently have 250 million people infected with covid
They are getting 25 million new cases a day
That's the population of Australia catching the virus everyday

It has the highest r0 of any virus we have dealt with

A plane flying into Italy from China
Returned 52% of people positive for covid

You can't stop this with a mask
Stop being silly

Nothing can stop kovid

Except perhaps catching it and developing a strong immune response

What did China achieve through their crazy zero covid policy
250 million cases all-at-once

If you don't like the situation here on planet Earth
See if Elon can give you a lift to Mars


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Except perhaps catching it and developing a strong immune response


OR Dying?

Plenty took that option and did in fact die.

More than a tad away from an ideal or even sane solution.
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Reply #385 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 4:21pm
 
Australia's death toll has doubled twice in half the time since we remover restrictions.

i.e. we stopped isolating distancing and masks and the death rate increased by 200% all after the risk had ended.

You have to be real stupid to believe either that the problem is over or that Masks distancing and isolation didn't work.
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Reply #386 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:22pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 4:21pm:
Australia's death toll has doubled twice in half the time since we remover restrictions.

i.e. we stopped isolating distancing and masks and the death rate increased by 200% all after the risk had ended.

You have to be real stupid to believe either that the problem is over or that Masks distancing and isolation didn't work.


Hmmmm… maybe the masks and distancing and sanitising worked better then… rather than the majority being c-vaxxed?
Yes they initially did say once c-vaxxed then kovid won’t be caught.. then yes it can be caught if c-vaxxed… then it’s supposed to be milder with them-vax…hence they removed all those earlier precautions to the wind!

Them goal posts just kept moving.
It’s like a comic tragedy.

I have noticed … even though them distancing circles are removed…that most of us still keep a respectable distance… we don’t go into anyone’s personal space.
I still use sanitising wipes on the handle of the supermarket trolley… and I have my hand sanitizer gel pump in car I use every time I get into car.



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Reply #387 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 6:29pm
 
Sophia wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:22pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 4:21pm:
Australia's death toll has doubled twice in half the time since we remover restrictions.

i.e. we stopped isolating distancing and masks and the death rate increased by 200% all after the risk had ended.

You have to be real stupid to believe either that the problem is over or that Masks distancing and isolation didn't work.


Hmmmm… maybe the masks and distancing and sanitising worked better then… rather than the majority being c-vaxxed?
Yes they initially did say once c-vaxxed then kovid won’t be caught.. then yes it can be caught if c-vaxxed… then it’s supposed to be milder with them-vax…hence they removed all those earlier precautions to the wind!

Them goal posts just kept moving.
It’s like a comic tragedy.

I have noticed … even though them distancing circles are removed…that most of us still keep a respectable distance… we don’t go into anyone’s personal space.
I still use sanitising wipes on the handle of the supermarket trolley… and I have my hand sanitizer gel pump in car I use every time I get into car.






Yes the goal posts do move but they move when the knowledge changes.

The US seem happy enough with the results - they are on track to lose 100,000 lives per year and doing nothing about it.

I suspect that the virus is up to variation 895 and the Vaccine is up to Version 4 has something to do with it also.

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Reply #388 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 7:37pm
 
Sophia wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:22pm:
I still use sanitising wipes on the handle of the supermarket trolley… and I have my hand sanitizer gel pump in car I use every time I get into car.



I only use the wipes in case of e coli from people who don't wash their hands after going to the toilet.

This virus is airborne which took nearly 2 years for the CDC to admit.The Japanese were the first to recognise airborne transmission with Diamond princess cruise ship. If it was spread by droplets and fomites like they originally thought then social distancing and washing hands could have eradicated it.

Masks don't work with airborne viruses you need a proper respirator with removable cartridges.
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Reply #389 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 8:57pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 7:37pm:
Sophia wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:22pm:
I still use sanitising wipes on the handle of the supermarket trolley… and I have my hand sanitizer gel pump in car I use every time I get into car.



I only use the wipes in case of e coli from people who don't wash their hands after going to the toilet.

This virus is airborne which took nearly 2 years for the CDC to admit.The Japanese were the first to recognise airborne transmission with Diamond princess cruise ship. If it was spread by droplets and fomites like they originally thought then social distancing and washing hands could have eradicated it.

Masks don't work with airborne viruses you need a proper respirator with removable cartridges.


I do have a couple of those big hard masks with charcoal pads etc but that’s with our fire fighting gear we have… in case of bush fire etc
(But we do have plan a to stay and fight and plan b to escape)

Re: the sanitising wipes… I’ve developed a germ phobia now.. plus I always washed my hands in the kitchen sink several times as I cook for hygiene etc. so it’s no biggy to keep my hands clean as..
remember during the pandemic they said not to touch our masks once worn or not to touch our faces.
Remember how they showed it can transmit from items via touching… and recently says broccoli harbour kovid from infected handlers….
Because kovid lasts longer on rough surfaces compared to smooth?

Well I’m happy to keep using sanitising wipes/gel
I saw a video under a microscope how it killed them germs dead!



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