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Reply #1530 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 5:24am
 
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Reply #1531 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 5:25am
 
ShellShilo wrote on Nov 26th, 2022 at 1:08am:
Carl D wrote on Nov 25th, 2022 at 8:06pm:
Been seeing a few people on Twitter in different parts of Australia saying they've emailed their local members asking what is going on regarding their childrens' safety at school with (the lack of) masks, air filtration and ventilation, etc. and part of the 'standard' reply they've received (if they bother to reply) is "We are following the health advice".

I should email my local member and ask them the same thing and I bet I'll get the same reply. I would then ask them "Well, could I see this health advice please?" and I'm pretty sure that would be the end of the email exchange.  Roll Eyes

Next time I take my aunt to see her GP (wearing our KN95's, of course) and the maskless receptionist says "You can take those off if you want to" I am going to say "No... and why aren't you wearing one?" and I'm sure I'll get the same response as people are getting from the pollies - "we are following the health advice" (which I'm also sure they wouldn't be able to show me if I asked to see it).


Firstly, I would never ask you why you're still wearing a mask. Because, it's none of my business. And, if you ask me, "Why I'm NOT wearing a mask?". I would answer, "Because I am NOT infected.". "Nor, am I likely to become infected". And, "even if I were infected, I would still have a 99% chance of surviving.". I would also tell you that, if I were infected and recovered, that "my naturally-induced antibodies, are more broad-spectrum, and have a much lower affinity against this pathogen. Not like the mRNA vaccine-induced antibodies.".

Carl D wrote on Nov 25th, 2022 at 3:21pm:
123 Covid deaths for Australia this week.


That's 17.6 lives per day during that week. There are around 470 Australians dying every day(171,469 death in 2021). Again, you don't mention, age, comorbidities, or any other factors contributing to these deaths. There have been an average of 15.5 people dying WITH/FROM this virus, for the last almost 3 years. So, 14 deaths with/from this virus, is slightly below the average number of deaths. And 14/470 deaths, represents roughly only 3% of ALL daily deaths in Australia. Just more irresponsible  fear-mongering. By citing only the number of cases and deaths, and omitting any context or perspective.

My question is still the same. Just how far are you willing to go to protect everyone from this virus? Are you willing to do anything, regardless of how it may affect the overwhelming majority of Australians, who are  NOT even infected? Should we shoot anyone on sight for NOT wearing a mask or distancing themselves? Should we lock-up and fine anyone who refuses to be tracked, or obtain a Covid-19 ID Passport? Should we use our tax revenue to build interment prisons, to greet anyone suspected of carrying this virus? Should we close down all non-essential businesses, and put more people back on the dole? Should we completely isolate Australia from the rest of the world? Should we turn Australia into a society of paranoic, germophobic, mask-wearing, vaccine junkies?

Also, implying that we don't care about the elderly or the infirmed, is a non-sequitur argument. We can't control who will be infected and who won't. Nor, can we control all the other factors contributing to the death of those infected.

You seem to forget, that we are NOT helpless against this virus. We DO have an immune system, whose only job is to fight pathogens. And, it does this very well. It does not need any help from vaccines. Vaccines do not fight or protect anyone from any pathogen. Its only value is therapeutic. It only indirectly PROMPTS the immune system, to start producing narrow-spectrum, high-affinity, and highly specific antibodies. It takes our Acquired Immune System 1-3 days to produce its own pathogen-induced antibodies naturally.

I think the world has learned two lessons from this madness. That there is nothing man can physically do to stop any organism, that is smaller than the  wavelength of visible light. And, that even very smart people can come up with very stupid solutions.

      


That reminded me… it’s exactly what Victoria endured compared to the rest of Australia… total lockdown…more than anywhere else in Oz and the rest of the world… the strictest of all with curfews, isolations, masks, distancing, closed businesses, not allowed outside more than an hour, except for the elderly in them care places, they were totally not allowed outside or have any family visit and as a result… Victoria had the highest deaths.
The “zombie state” rest of Australia called us!
We were the butt of endless jokes.
Made to feel like lepers.
No one outside of Melbourne knew what it was like. Unless one went through it….STFU!
“sackdanandrews” the granny killer
I voted early (yesterday)
I repeat… strictest rules and longest lockdowns with the most deaths that followed.
Masks did nothing.
Amazing. I say this again, hubby paranoidly wore a mask for many hours at airport 2 weeks ago whilst our plane was cancelled, my daughter and I didn’t wear a mask.
He got sick with a rotten cold and we didn’t.
On way back he didn’t wear a mask, he’s fine, not even a sniffle.
I didn’t advise hubby to either wear or not wear a mask. His choice. Based on? Fear? TV brainwashing?  Even I was adamant earlier about wearing a mask!
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Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today:
Reply #1532 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 5:31am
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 25th, 2022 at 4:53pm:
"Prof Cynthia" hits the bullseye again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DoencaProf/status/1595674723631140864

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Happy Birthday #Omicron. It’s hard to believe that before you arrived, we used to give a sh*t about people dying from COVID. Oh, those quaint times. #COVID19


She's a parody account by the way but she posts a lot of disturbing truths (for our useless pollies and other Covid minimisers) in her tweets.

This one is pure gold...


this is indeed a paroday account. twitter has over 500 million of them apparently.

what carl doesnt understand is that this is most likely a "paid for AI bot account" sponsored by pfizer or moderna.

and i kid you not when i say that.

big pharma have discovered that social media is the number one route to generate the narrative that maximises profit.

and constructing a fake account with a picture of a young hot blonde profeesor to express her outrage that people are nt taking covid seriously (nuying the product from her owners) is exactly what a company like pfizer would do.

when you are making 3000 a second from your rather weak vaccine, you would be criminally negligent to your shareholders NOT to flood the internet with these sort of accounts.

and they do.

its why the big corporations are defunding musk

he wants to close this loophole

personally i think musk will lose

they have more cash and controlling the minds of the unthinking masses (yes thats you carl) is not something they will give up.

enjoy your black friday sales

probably go buy some N95 masks

i's sure the parody account will have a link for you  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today:
Reply #1533 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 11:13am
 
More cases, hospitalisations and deaths in Victoria today.

https://covidlive.com.au/

Be interesting to see how the numbers look in the next few weeks after today's Victorian elections superspreader event.
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Reply #1534 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 11:13am
 
Looks like that "personal responsibility" still isn't working.

https://mobile.twitter.com/watinthe_/status/1596283267455807488

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“We cannot provide a safe haven from infection in our surgery”
Sign outside a GPs surgery.

This is what it has come to in Australia, people are no longer safe in seeking medical services.


And, I'll bet they're not wearing masks when they enter either because... well... "it's not mandated anymore". I wouldn't be surprised if most or all of the GP's and staff were not wearing a mask as well for the same "reason" (going on personal experience).
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Reply #1535 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 12:31pm
 
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Reply #1536 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 12:31pm
 
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Reply #1537 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 12:31pm
 
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Reply #1538 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 1:26pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 26th, 2022 at 5:31am:
Carl D wrote on Nov 25th, 2022 at 4:53pm:
"Prof Cynthia" hits the bullseye again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DoencaProf/status/1595674723631140864

Quote:
Happy Birthday #Omicron. It’s hard to believe that before you arrived, we used to give a sh*t about people dying from COVID. Oh, those quaint times. #COVID19


She's a parody account by the way but she posts a lot of disturbing truths (for our useless pollies and other Covid minimisers) in her tweets.

This one is pure gold...


this is indeed a paroday account. twitter has over 500 million of them apparently.

what carl doesnt understand is that this is most likely a "paid for AI bot account" sponsored by pfizer or moderna.

and i kid you not when i say that.

big pharma have discovered that social media is the number one route to generate the narrative that maximises profit.

and constructing a fake account with a picture of a young hot blonde profeesor to express her outrage that people are nt taking covid seriously (nuying the product from her owners) is exactly what a company like pfizer would do.

when you are making 3000 a second from your rather weak vaccine, you would be criminally negligent to your shareholders NOT to flood the internet with these sort of accounts.

and they do.

its why the big corporations are defunding musk

he wants to close this loophole

personally i think musk will lose

they have more cash and controlling the minds of the unthinking masses (yes thats you carl) is not something they will give up.

enjoy your black friday sales

probably go buy some N95 masks

i's sure the parody account will have a link for you  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Or apparently not. Twitter has 238 million active users. It estimates 5% of these are fake.

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-inc-technology-434b2c0588a6cee2fd7c...

And on tweets about covid specifically:

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The findings revealed that 8.87% of the users were social bots, with 11% of tweets in the corpus.


On average, the bots' views were found to be fairly tame, merely countering fake news:

Quote:
By citing positive sources from CDC, social bots emphasize that “blood clots” were not a common problem. From June to July 2021, the Delta virus ravaged the world. Human users were worried about whether the existing COVID-19 vaccines could resist the Delta virus, but social bots thought that the vaccines were effective against the Delta virus. Generally, social bots are optimistic towards vaccines, although social bots have not always discussed the effectiveness and importance of vaccines.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8835429/#!po=85.9756

This counters earlier research conducted in 2020, prior to the US election. Back then, the bots "followed the Russian and Chinese playbook",  aiming to sow misinformation, panic and distrust:

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Researchers identified more than 100 false narratives about COVID-19 that are proliferating on Twitter by accounts controlled by bots.

Among the misinformation disseminated by bot accounts: tweeted conspiracy theories about hospitals being filled with mannequins or tweets that connected the spread of the coronavirus to 5G wireless towers, a notion that is patently untrue.


https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/20/859814085/resea...

It is questionable, however, whether these tweets had much impact.

Quote:
Dr Holly Seale, a senior lecturer with the school of population health at the University of New South Wales, said the role of trolls and bots was often sensationalised.

“We didn’t really have any sense of knock-on impact these bot systems were having and whether content was just being put out into the echo chambers of social media or if it was being picked up and actually passed on. It’s critical to know that, and this study helps us to understand that,” she said.


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/02/twitter-bots-have-limited-suc...

Big corporations are not conducting a systematic social media campaign to destroy Western democracy, dear. Rogue states are doing that. Who?

You know who. You've spent years promoting the Alpha virtues of the "noble Vlad". Looks like he's stalled a bit on the covid front though. He's now trying to turn the anti-vaxxers into anti-Ukranians.

https://www.politico.eu/article/antivax-conspiracy-lean-pro-kremlin-propaganda-u...

You?
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Reply #1539 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 1:39pm
 
For Shellshilo and aquascoot (well, maybe not aqua and his usual word salad so much).  Roll Eyes

I was reading an interesting discussion somewhere a few days back where it was theorized that if eveyone in the world wore a mask for just 2 weeks then SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) could be finally eliminated or almost eliminated.

But, it require every single person on the planet to wear a mask at all times when outside their homes and the chances of that happening are... well... nil.

Even when we had mandatory masks for most indoor places here in Australia we had a large daily number of "dick noses" and "chin nappies/warmers" mostly with not particularly effective (against viruses at least) surgical "baggy blue" masks.

At least that's another good thing about high quality masks, it is very difficult not to wear them properly, i.e. covering the nose and mouth although I'm sure some people would try their hardest not to wear them properly.

But, even if say 70% of the world's population wore masks for a minimum of 2 weeks it would still cause a huge drop in the number of cases (and hospitalisations and deaths) worldwide.

Let's face it - at this stage of the pandemic anything would be better than the "do nothing" approach now being practiced by Australia's (and most Western countries') governments.
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Reply #1540 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 3:19pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 25th, 2022 at 4:01pm:
Sorry to hear about the death of your work colleague, Sprint.

I'm not taking pot shots, just pointing out the (deliberate) neglect and incompetence of our so called leaders who have allowed a dangerous virus to spread uncontrollably through the population who have mostly been deceived with lies such as "mild", "herd immunity", "hybrid immunity", "get vaccinated then you'll be OK" and others all while the Federal government ignores Human Rights Covenants which Australia is a signatory to and individual States ignore their own Health Acts regarding the controlling of epidemic and endemic diseases like SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19).

The worst part is they've now completely removed all of our remaining protections like masks in airports, on planes, on public transport and just about everywhere else and no more isolation for those infected, the majority of whom I can almost guarantee will not be following the "recommended" advice to stay home and keep testing (with almost useless RAT's) until they test negative.

And, you can be rest assured I am definitely not taking any political side in this - both major parties are equally to blame for the Covid disaster currently engulfing the country - all for the sake of "the economy".

Plus, the absolute "radio silence" from EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN in Australia about the 16,100 (so far) Covid deaths is also very disturbing, not a single word of condolence offered to the familes of the dead by any of them - from the Prime Minister down. Totally disrespectful and disgraceful.


Thanks Carl..

Yes, the media SHOULD be reporting the covid deaths.
There are about 15 a week in QLD.

Here is an astonishing story.
Am going out to a birthday dinner tonight. Invited 9 people. One of the invitees son tested positive to covid on wednesday.
She was STILL going to come AND bring him too !!!!!!!!!!

I was livid. I could not believe it. She is not coming now. Not after I texted her.
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Reply #1541 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 4:55pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 26th, 2022 at 1:39pm:
For Shellshilo and aquascoot (well, maybe not aqua and his usual word salad so much).  Roll Eyes

I was reading an interesting discussion somewhere a few days back where it was theorized that if eveyone in the world wore a mask for just 2 weeks then SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) could be finally eliminated or almost eliminated.

But, it require every single person on the planet to wear a mask at all times when outside their homes and the chances of that happening are... well... nil.

Even when we had mandatory masks for most indoor places here in Australia we had a large daily number of "dick noses" and "chin nappies/warmers" mostly with not particularly effective (against viruses at least) surgical "baggy blue" masks.

At least that's another good thing about high quality masks, it is very difficult not to wear them properly, i.e. covering the nose and mouth although I'm sure some people would try their hardest not to wear them properly.

But, even if say 70% of the world's population wore masks for a minimum of 2 weeks it would still cause a huge drop in the number of cases (and hospitalisations and deaths) worldwide.

Let's face it - at this stage of the pandemic anything would be better than the "do nothing" approach now being practiced by Australia's (and most Western countries') governments.


Covering your face with your hands when you sneeze and cough, will also be better than nothing. We can see exactly what happens when we do nothing, against any virus/bacterium with a mortality rate of 1% or less. Just look at the flu and cold stats over the last 6 decades. The virus simply runs its course, and goes dormant.

All man can do against a virus is to treat those infected with it. He can't just make-up impossible mandates and protocols to avoid/prevent being infected. Even if everyone on the planet wore masks(N95) properly, it would only mean that mask-wearers(remember this virus can enter through the eyes), would now be the only ones in hospitals, ICU's, and dying from/with this virus. That's all. Viruses are not alive when they're dormant. So you can't eradicate them.

Even if you duct-taped a N95 mask to your face, wore a face shield, and was waiting for your 5th dose of this vaccine, this still does NOT guarantee that you won't be infected, or die from this virus. Whether you're indoors or outdoors, as long as you breathe air you can be infected.

Even if your mask was 99.9% effective, that would still not be good enough. Your mask would need to be 99.9999% effective, to prevent  a virus from infecting you. But any mask this effective, would also prevent you from breathing air through it. A real catch-22.

It's simply NOT AN EVOLUTIONARY INSTILLED  HUMAN BEHAVIOR to wear masks, and to avoid social contact indefinitely. Strange things begin to happen to our emotional and mental stability. Try putting a mask on most pets and see what happens.

Again I ask you, "Just how far are you willing to go, and how much of our freedoms/liberties are you willing to sacrifice? Just to stop a virus with a mortality rate of less than 1% in Australia?? Fanatics look only for confirmation, NOT THE TRUTH!

If you are going to blame our leaders for the deaths with/from this virus, then you must blame them for the 99% of victims who have recovered as well. You must also blame them for keeping the over 90% of Australians from becoming infected with this virus. Otherwise, you're just being intellectually dishonest and biased.





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Reply #1542 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 7:17pm
 
OK, then... we'll just have to agree to differ, Shellshilo.

Anyway... moving right along...

How it started:

https://mobile.twitter.com/criprights/status/1586725361764954112

How it's going:

https://mobile.twitter.com/criprights/status/1596331302696849409 (I guess Sam didn't get the meeting she asked for).

https://mobile.twitter.com/CraigWtweets/status/1596403740919357440 (this is about the thousands of disabled and other vulnerable people trapped in their homes because going out and catching Covid might be a death sentence for them).

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/11/25/7a83-n25.html

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Australians Against COVID, an ad hoc organisation of disabled and immune-compromised people, the elderly, and other vulnerable groups, will be holding a vigil outside federal parliament in Canberra this Sunday. It is part of a nationwide “day of action” to protest the socially criminal “let it rip” policies being imposed by federal, state and territory governments, led by the Labor and Liberal-National parties.


I wish them all the best and hope the media attends this event (but I doubt it).

I also believe they're planning a much larger event for next March if they don't get any results after tomorrow.

(They are aware of the mistake in their 'flyer' below, btw... Sunday is the 27th, not the 26th).
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Reply #1543 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 9:05pm
 
Yes moving right along Wink

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Reply #1544 - Nov 26th, 2022 at 11:40pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 26th, 2022 at 1:39pm:
For Shellshilo and aquascoot (well, maybe not aqua and his usual word salad so much).  Roll Eyes

I was reading an interesting discussion somewhere a few days back where it was theorized that if eveyone in the world wore a mask for just 2 weeks then SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) could be finally eliminated or almost eliminated.

But, it require every single person on the planet to wear a mask at all times when outside their homes and the chances of that happening are... well... nil.

Even when we had mandatory masks for most indoor places here in Australia we had a large daily number of "dick noses" and "chin nappies/warmers" mostly with not particularly effective (against viruses at least) surgical "baggy blue" masks.

At least that's another good thing about high quality masks, it is very difficult not to wear them properly, i.e. covering the nose and mouth although I'm sure some people would try their hardest not to wear them properly.

But, even if say 70% of the world's population wore masks for a minimum of 2 weeks it would still cause a huge drop in the number of cases (and hospitalisations and deaths) worldwide.

Let's face it - at this stage of the pandemic anything would be better than the "do nothing" approach now being practiced by Australia's (and most Western countries') governments.


Hi Carl,
That is an interesting proposition.
Would the prefect wearing of masks from everyone on the world for 2 weeks kill off covid?

I'ld be thinking. Yes.
In a medical technical sense, yes.

Will ask some of the scientists next week.
They really love these sorts of ideas
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