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Not Australia or New Zealand but China this time and it looks like China's "Zero Covid" policy which they've had since the start of the pandemic could be over.

November 24 2022

China daily COVID-19 cases hit record high

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If this gets out of control as it looks like doing it will have (financial) repercussions for almost the entire world. Hang on to your hats, we could be in for a wild ride over the coming months.

Oh, and before aquascoot comes along and says something like "told you so, we're all going to get it, there's no stopping Covid" have a read of this:

Fri 11 Nov 2022

China cuts coronavirus quarantine times for close contacts, as some restrictions ease

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So, China has finally ended up making the same mistakes the rest of the world has, just took them a lot longer to do it.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 9:15am:


Hi Bobby, I believe the vaccines have been very beneficial for us.

Here are some facts:
US,  deaths per million of population - 3299
Aust, deaths per million of population - 615

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Pandemics usually take a LONG time to abate.

carl - it is a pandemic.

many people die during pandemics.
A work colleague of mine died 2 weeks ago due to covid.
He travelled to Europe for a conference.
He was a medical scientist.

This not not a topic to take political sides with, make clever comments or take potshots at anyone.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:


Did he die from the convid or the vaccine ??

Carl D wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 4:01pm:


And, let's not forget the media's role in all of this.

Here's a classic example from The Australian which certainly helps to explain why our pollies are no longer making any attempts to control Covid cases and deaths (or even talk about them) and the media is mostly ignoring them.

Except for seeing "post Covid" and "post pandemic" mentioned in a lot of their "news" and finance pages articles - saw another couple of those in today's The West Australian.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PeterWMurphy1/status/1595723094643335168

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They would also have the same attitude towards the elderly (especially age pensioners), no doubt about it.

Carl D wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:


Firstly, I would never ask you why you're still wearing a mask. Because, it's none of my business. And, if you ask me, "Why I'm NOT wearing a mask?". I would answer, "Because I am NOT infected.". "Nor, am I likely to become infected". And, "even if I were infected, I would still have a 99% chance of surviving.". I would also tell you that, if I were infected and recovered, that "my naturally-induced antibodies, are more broad-spectrum, and have a much lower affinity against this pathogen. Not like the mRNA vaccine-induced antibodies.".

Carl D wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 3:21pm:


That's 17.6 lives per day during that week. There are around 470 Australians dying every day(171,469 death in 2021). Again, you don't mention, age, comorbidities, or any other factors contributing to these deaths. There have been an average of 15.5 people dying WITH/FROM this virus, for the last almost 3 years. So, 14 deaths with/from this virus, is slightly below the average number of deaths. And 14/470 deaths, represents roughly only 3% of ALL daily deaths in Australia. Just more irresponsible  fear-mongering. By citing only the number of cases and deaths, and omitting any context or perspective.

My question is still the same. Just how far are you willing to go to protect everyone from this virus? Are you willing to do anything, regardless of how it may affect the overwhelming majority of Australians, who are  NOT even infected? Should we shoot anyone on sight for NOT wearing a mask or distancing themselves? Should we lock-up and fine anyone who refuses to be tracked, or obtain a Covid-19 ID Passport? Should we use our tax revenue to build interment prisons, to greet anyone suspected of carrying this virus? Should we close down all non-essential businesses, and put more people back on the dole? Should we completely isolate Australia from the rest of the world? Should we turn Australia into a society of paranoic, germophobic, mask-wearing, vaccine junkies?

Also, implying that we don't care about the elderly or the infirmed, is a non-sequitur argument. We can't control who will be infected and who won't. Nor, can we control all the other factors contributing to the death of those infected.

You seem to forget, that we are NOT helpless against this virus. We DO have an immune system, whose only job is to fight pathogens. And, it does this very well. It does not need any help from vaccines. Vaccines do not fight or protect anyone from any pathogen. Its only value is therapeutic. It only indirectly PROMPTS the immune system, to start producing narrow-spectrum, high-affinity, and highly specific antibodies. It takes our Acquired Immune System 1-3 days to produce its own pathogen-induced antibodies naturally.

I think the world has learned two lessons from this madness. That there is nothing man can physically do to stop any organism, that is smaller than the  wavelength of visible light. And, that even very smart people can come up with very stupid solutions.