Blame it on convid !!

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 19^th, 2022 at 6:26am:


I agree that the Influenza virus and the SARS-CoV-2 virus are two different microorganisms. But the diseases that they cause are very similar to each other. In fact, without testing, you couldn't tell if someone had Covid-19, or had Influenza A or B. Both viruses look similar, and both have a corona on their surface(although one has a spiked surface protein, and the other has 2 antigen surface proteins), for the immune's antibodies to bind to and neutralize.

Both use a single RNA genome to encode for proteins. Although one can be proof-read, and the other can't.  Both attach themselves to cells along the respiratory tract, producing the same respiratory infections, and immuno-responses. Both use specific respiratory receptors(ACE2 receptors for the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and Sialic Acid receptors for the Influenza virus). The same respiratory cells.

The transmission rate of the Influenza virus is 1.3 persons, and 2.4 persons for the SARS-CoV-2 virus(roughly one extra person). The mortality rate of the Influenza virus is 0.1-0.5%. And, for the SARS-CoV-2 virus its 0.5-1%. In Australia it's currently  0.15%(the Measles has a mortality rate of 1-3%). Both are viruses, and are transmitted from person to person. Both can be treated with antibodies and antiviral drugs. And most symptoms can be managed with a trip to the chemist.

As far as antivaxxers disseminating false information, due to their ignorance, I disagree. The fact that you need to use confirmation biased-friendly sources from outside of Australia, pretty much says it all. I do take the time to get the facts right. This information is freely available, and is easily verifiable to anyone with an open mind. You can easily work out the mortality rate yourself(0.15% in Australia).

Why do you keep ignoring the numbers of people who have recovered? Why do you ignore how many people have died WITH Covid as an underlying condition? These numbers are all included in the total deaths. Even those suspected with Covid are included. For the past 3 years the average daily deaths from/with Covid is 15.5. This is roughly what we are still seeing each day. This stat represents only 1-2% of all daily deaths in Australia. Nowhere near a third of all deaths.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 19^th, 2022 at 6:26am:


No! 15,967 people have died WITH, or FROM the virus. What were the demographics? What were the other underlying causes(Comorbidities)? Otherwise, people might think that all these deaths were directly caused by this virus. Which is not true. In fact, viruses do not kill their hosts.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 19^th, 2022 at 6:26am:


And, how many patients have recovered? Or, are expected to recover? Even patients on ventilators in ICU's have a survival rate of around 60%. And, once you're intubated, your chances of survival drops to 50/50.

Where we are ranked on the world stage is irrelevant. Whether there are flu deaths or not, is also irrelevant. Whether we do everything or nothing, this virus will still simply run its course.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 19^th, 2022 at 6:26am:


There were 111,008 total deaths registered on Sept. 30th, 2022(between Jan 1st-July 30th, 2022). So how does 6.4%(7,100 Covid deaths), represent a third of the total deaths in Australia so far? Or, did you mean in the US? And, the only thing ironic about mask-wearing, is that the highest infected of all the work industries, is the Healthcare Industry. At some point even they realized, that 99.9% effective is just not good enough.

I still have no idea what the number of influenza cases have to do with the number of Covid cases. Are you trying to imply that the Covid virus has somehow stop the number of influenza infections are down? Just because the numbers are down? How do you know that wearing mask is the direct causal link, and is responsible for the low influenza numbers? What other obvious factors affecting this trend/outcome are you just ignoring to fit your own narrative? You are entitled to your own opinion, but NOT your own logic. And, what is the relevance of an Actuaries' assessment on Covid deaths?


      

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That would be because our governments (and most Western governments) have removed almost all Covid protections like quarantine, masks and isolation for Covid positive people, etc. which is allowing unrestricted spread of the virus resulting in a massive increase in both cases and the virus itself which is allowing the virus almost limitless opportunities to mutate into new variants.

And, unlikely as it probably is we could be just one mutation away from a new variant with something like an 80% fatality rate.

Carl D wrote on Nov 19^th, 2022 at 9:03pm:


Clearly, your understanding of what a mutation in viruses entails, differs from that of most scientists. Any biologist would agree, that all mutations simply occur by chance, or are just random.

Whether we isolate, wear masks, multi-vaccinate ourselves, or wear a self-contained Hazmat suit, HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MUTATION RATE IN THIS VIRUS. In fact, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is a rare RNA virus, that has its own proof-reading mechanism, that corrects many mutations. This is why we only have new stains of viruses, instead of new viruses.

As long as the virus can find ONE host to replicate itself, it will produce mutations. Some will be useless, some harmful to itself, and some may be beneficial. Which is why tailor-making immune antibodies to only recognize a part of a virus(antigen), is not such a good idea. Why not just let our natural immune system do what its been doing since life began on earth? It doesn't care how the virus mutates.

Even with protocols in place, the number of  cases and deaths have continued to increase many times over. So, why would you assume that restoring, or abandoning these  protocols would change anything?

You are correct. It is extremely unlikely that this virus could mutate to become 80% lethal. Most variants of the original stain are normally less lethal. Any variant of the Ebola virus, or the HIV virus, will be less lethal than their original parent. In fact, the mortality rate of the SARS-CoV virus is between 11-27%. Compared to a mortality rate of 0.5-1% for the SARS-CoV-2 virus. So every variant is weaker than the original strain. I'm afraid you are just fear-mongering, based on a poor understanding of the science. Also, our immune system can make antibodies for any pathogen, not only on the planet, but for any pathogen anywhere in the entire universe.

Haven't heard about this here in Perth yet but I'm sure it will be happening soon (if it isn't already).

https://mobile.twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1593405080661037057

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I wonder what might be causing that? 

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Bet the pollies won't have to wait a couple of months for their GP appointments.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 4:11am:


Okay, I going to assume that you ignored, dismissed, or have no comment, on all the factual content/evidence that I've  provided for context and clarity. Just to beg the question(fallacy) with your "loaded" question(like, "When did you stop beating your wife"?).

Since your question presumes the fact in question to be true within the question, It doesn't matter how I answer it. No matter what I say, I would still be admitting that I am selfish, anti-social, and only care about my own rights. That I don't care about the  rights of anyone else. And, that I am willfully endangering the lives of the elderly, and those who are the most vulnerable. 

This is the same shame-mongering pathos, that the media imprints on the minds of the most gullible. They in turn, will parrot their disguise guilt-mongering soundbites and platitudes, to encourage compliance out of shame. 

But in reality, on any given day, less than 0.02% of the entire population is even infected. Or, have tested positive for the virus's antibodies. This should also tell you, that on any given day, over 90% of Australians have either fully recovered, tested negative, or have NOT been infected with this virus.

But to answer your "loaded" question. Firstly, I am NOT an antivaxxer(which I've told you before). But I'm against any vaccine that forces my own cells to do anything that they are NOT meant to do(make viral spikes). Using live or attenuated whole pathogens in a vaccine is fine by me.

Secondly, when it comes to what I decide to put into MY body, or wear on MY face, YOUR rights will always end at MY front door. What you choose to do that makes you feel safe and secure, is YOUR business alone. If you wish to to take a hundred boosters, wear a cloth over your face, or even isolate yourself from society, this is your right to do so.

Thirdly, experts are not you. This is your body and your health. Experts can also disagree, or just add qualifiers to their opinions. Name one expert who says that masks will stop any virus from infecting you? Name one expert who says that being vaccinated will prevent you from having severe symptoms, or even dying from this virus? Name one expert who says that isolation and distancing, will stop the spread of this virus? Name one expert who says that this virus can become 80% lethal? This is YOUR life, not the experts.

I think your remarks are a bit cynical an unscientific. Your appeals to Authority and your use of misconstrued facts/data, only highlights your shallow depth of understanding.

There are to date around 18 variants(and sub-variants) of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. There's NO variant of this virus that the CDC, and the NCIRD view as A VIRUS OF HIGH CONCERN(VOHC). So this media-manufactured viral apocalypse, exists only in the virtual world of the boob-tube. In reality, it's just a milder form of the original SARS-CoV-1 virus.

How many people did you personally know who have died from this virus? I mean 12-25 people with an average age of 82yo, with 3 or more chronic comorbidities, dying each day(0.0001% of the population)? Really? Is this worth shutting down the government and businesses? Suspending our individual rights and freedoms? Or, fining, arresting, or putting people in Covid interment facilities? I certainly don't think so. Especially when 99% of those infected are recovering, vaccinated or not.

And if the next government tries to suspend our freedoms and rights, it will also be removed from office. I am NOT an antivaxxer. But I am certainly a mRNA antivaxxer. There is just too much potential for abuse from this technology. 

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 4:11am:

Can you please address the issue I've highlighted.

ShellShilo wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 4:31pm:

Well at least we both agree on those allegations of mine. You are/do/doing each of those things.

ShellShilo wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 4:31pm:

We're not talking about the confines of you home Shell; we're talking
about public spaces—theatres, shopping centres, banks and post offices etc.
And in any/all public spaces, we, all of us, have a duty of care to everyone
else around us.  And particularly the immunocompromised, or the aged and
infirm.   Apparently you disagree with this?

BTW, I have to congratulate you on actually avoiding addressing the question
of your rights taking precedence over the rights of everyone else.    It was a
very clever deflection, covered up largely by a lot of rambling, irrelevant factoids.