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Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today:
Reply #1455 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 12:20pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 10:49am:

I will not sign up to that twitter rubbish, ever. Even with musk at the helm.

I won't sign up for it either with or without Elon Musk at the helm.

Lots of interesting things to read though.

And, it's not all conspiracy/antivaxxer rubbish. There's some top notch doctors and other medical professionals who know what they're talking about on there.

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Reply #1456 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 12:20pm

Wonder how long it will take NSW Health to delete this appalling tweet?

Covid hasn't killed anyone under 65 in this week's report so that's OK, is it? More money saved on pensions and healthcare, I suppose?

https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1593035082608316416

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There were no deaths in people aged under 65 years. Deaths may not have occurred in the week in which they were reported.

aquascoot?? Is that you?? Do you have a job 'on the side' running NSW Health's Twitter account?

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10752 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today: Reply #1457 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 12:20pm Looks like the vaccination rate is still stalled according to Covid Live. https://covidlive.com.au/ I guess not too many people have heard the news yet that the pandemic isn't over.
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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10752 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today: Reply #1458 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 12:21pm South Australia has reported in... cases, hospitalisations and deaths up like everywhere else. https://covidlive.com.au/ Now waiting with bated breath for Mark McGowan's weekly WA update.
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Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today:
Reply #1459 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 12:21pm

Carl D wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

Where's our PM while all this is happening? Oh, that's right - he's still gabbing and taking inane 'selfies' in Indonesia, isn't he?

Oh, wait... he's moved on to Bangkok now (and more inane maskless 'selfies').

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlboMP/status/1593271502295552001

You tell him, ladies. Cool

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 57350 Gender:	Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today: Reply #1460 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 2:01pm Carl D wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 1:13pm: And, it's now also been deemed 'safe' for workers to return to crowded CBD office buildings all over Australia instead of working from home (except for government workers, of course). https://mobile.twitter.com/CasuallyGreg/status/1593387033312915456
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Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today:
Reply #1461 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 2:01pm

WA - 9,065 new cases and 15 more deaths this week.

https://covidlive.com.au/

Doesn't seem to be anything from Tasmania yet.

Last Friday's numbers for comparison.

https://covidlive.com.au/archive/20221111 (still shows minus 3 deaths for SA).

Hope we reach the "peak" of this current wave real soon but I have a strong feeling it won't before Christmas despite what the so called experts say (they've been wrong about almost everything so far since the start of the pandemic and I don't expect this to be any different).

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Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today:
Reply #1462 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 2:13pm

Carl D wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

WA - 9,065 new cases and 15 more deaths this week.

https://covidlive.com.au/

Doesn't seem to be anything from Tasmania yet.

Last Friday's numbers for comparison.

https://covidlive.com.au/archive/20221111 (still shows minus 3 deaths for SA).

Hope we reach the "peak" of this current wave real soon but I have a strong feeling it won't before Christmas despite what the so called experts say (they've been wrong about almost everything so far since the start of the pandemic and I don't expect this to be any different).

Every day I go into the hospital to visit mum, there's a new COVID patient there.

It's taking off Sad

Yesterday a lovely elderly Indian couple were brought in both suffering from COVID, but they look like they'll get over it.

The crazy thing is, there's still no screening at the entrance - you can just walk straight in with no checks whatsoever.

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Reply #1463 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 2:19pm

Unbelievable, isn't it, Greg?

Especially the ones (including a few here) who say things like "Well, why don't you just stay home and let everyone else live their lives?"

Then I read something like this and it makes me realise that those of us who still care about the elderly and vulnerable by masking and taking other Covid precautions are definitely doing the right thing. For them and ourselves.

https://mobile.twitter.com/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1593366790721400832

A long thread but well worth the read.

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Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today:
Reply #1464 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 5:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 2:13pm:

Every day I go into the hospital to visit mum, there's a new COVID patient there.

It's taking off Sad

Yesterday a lovely elderly Indian couple were brought in both suffering from COVID, but they look like they'll get over it.

The crazy thing is, there's still no screening at the entrance - you can just walk straight in with no checks whatsoever.

An amber COVID alert has been issued for NSW, meaning all NSW residents must wear a mask indoors at hospitals.

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#Breaking: An amber COVID alert has been issued for NSW, meaning all NSW residents must wear a mask indoors at hospitals.

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@10NewsFirstSyd
Visitor numbers will also be monitored, with families and loved ones encouraged to limit their visits.

Didn't know it wasn't mandatory in NSW hospitals anymore until now? Mind you, nothing would surprise me with Dominic Perrottet as NSW Premier.

At least he's wearing a mask in that picture even if it is only a surgical "baggy blue".

Wonder if Queensland will now do the same seeing as mandatory masks in hospitals were scrapped there a few weeks back? And, will Mark McGowan make them mandatory again here (and make sure it is enforced)?

I'll be watching unfolding events with great interest.

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Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today:
Reply #1465 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 5:36pm

The actual announcement from NSW Health says "healthcare settings/facilities", not just hospitals.

https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1593462130753224705

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Cases of COVID-19 are increasing across NSW.

Help protect our patients and staff during the current COVID-19 wave.

A reminder that visitors are required to wear a face mask in healthcare facilities across NSW.

Yes, we need that again here in WA so the next time I have to take my elderly aunt to see her GP we don't have to deal with this.

Carl D wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 9:20am:

Even more concerning was when I took my elderly aunt to see her GP on Tuesday afternoon. There was still a "Please wear a mask" sign in the front window but when we went inside (wearing our KN95's) the first thing the maskless lady on the reception desk said to us was "You don't need to wear the masks now if you don't want to".

Come on, Mark (McGowan) - step up to the 'challenge' and take the first steps in returning to becoming the sort of Premier most of us respected you for being before March this year.

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Reply #1466 - Nov 18^th, 2022 at 11:13pm

Anyone else see this?

Minister Butler press conference in Canberra - 15 November 2022

Here's the part that's interesting:

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But they particularly noted that the recent XBB wave, which is one of the subvariants now present in Australia,the recent wave in Singapore over the last several weeks was to use their words “short and small”. And I think the CMO and other health experts have been making that point over the last couple of weeks as well.

They also noted that severe disease and death during that wave in Singapore was very rare for people who had had at least two doses of a vaccine for COVID. And they also noted that, in their view, any reduction in transmission in this current - what appears to be - a building wave, any reduction in transmission by adding a fifth dose to the system would, in their words, likely be minimal.

"short and small".

Let's see...

https://mobile.twitter.com/profmiketoole/status/1593552037274214400

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Don't be fooled by comparisons with Singapore. 3rd dose boosters 78% compared to 56% in Aust. Mask compliance in Sing 90%, Aust 5%.

I certainly wasn't fooled but I'll bet the majority of the Australian population were.

And...

https://mobile.twitter.com/CrabbBrendan/status/1593498437600698368

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I see the COVID paradox in full swing. Low COVID strategies remain more controversial than those that promote unfettered spread. Strange & self destructive. And no, Oz nothing like Singapore. Singapore doing much better (eg, below). Same tools, different mindset.

Yep.

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Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today:
Reply #1467 - Nov 19^th, 2022 at 2:13am

Carl D wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 2:19pm:

Unbelievable, isn't it, Greg?

Especially the ones (including a few here) who say things like "Well, why don't you just stay home and let everyone else live their lives?"

Then I read something like this and it makes me realise that those of us who still care about the elderly and vulnerable by masking and taking other Covid precautions are definitely doing the right thing. For them and ourselves.

A long thread but well worth the read.

I think that everyone here cares about the elderly, and for those who are the most vulnerable to this virus. I doubt that anyone here is suggesting that the elderly and the most vulnerable, should NOT be vaccinated. But all vaccines depend on the condition of our immune system. As we age, our immune system doesn't work as efficiently as it should. So any early heads-up to a new pathogen, is a good thing.

But, for the vast majority of people, mRNA vaccines are an unnecessary risk for any adverse events.(VITT, HIT, Pericarditis, myocarditis, etc.). Doing the right/good thing will always be relative. But, when you try and force people to do the right thing, then it becomes an absolute. Many people should stop smoking, drinking, or eating too much. But we don't force them to do the right thing, do we?

We should all have the right to decide what goes into our bodies, period. If you choose to vaccinate yourself, wear a mask, or keep your distance, that is your choice, and that is your business. But you have no right to shame others into questioning their own decisions. Especially if their decisions are based on the facts, and not on unsupported fear-mongering and clever semantics. Or, in using data from other countries, that have absolutely no relevance to Australia.

I personally just don't see it. We almost destroyed a country, over a novel flu virus, that is less lethal than the measles. Clearly, the cure has been infinitely worse than the illness. I suspect after years of being fed a steady diet of media half-truths and omissions, it is understandable why there are so many "Ronin's" left without masters.

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Reply #1468 - Nov 19^th, 2022 at 6:26am

ShellShilo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2022 at 2:13am:

...I personally just don't see it. We almost destroyed a country, over a novel flu virus, that is less lethal than the measles. Clearly, the cure has been infinitely worse than the illness. I suspect after years of being fed a steady diet of media half-truths and omissions, it is understandable why there are so many "Ronin's" left without masters.

The influenza virus and the COVID virus are two different things.
End of story. That they're similar and/or have the same mortality
rates is simply an untruth perpetuated by ignorant, medically
unqualified anti-vaxxers. The same anti-vaxxers who every day
endanger the health of the aged and infirm, and those who are
immunocompromised. But they don't care—it's all about their
"rights" and stuff everybody else's rights. It's the height of antisocialism.

Since the start of the COVID pandemic 15,967 Australians have
died of the virus.

In the past two days in Australia there were 10,922 new cases and
15 COVID deaths, with 61 patients in ICU.

Globally, Australia ranks at #5 out of 230 countries and sovereign
states for its number of COVID deaths—behind Taiwan and ahead
of Hong Kong.

These figures alone refutes the complacency of the anti-vaxxers or
the deniers, but then that's their choice to run the potential gamut
of infection, hospitalisation, or even death.

Here in Australia, there were no flu deaths last year, and even
before that, the number of flu deaths was far, far less than COVID
deaths. This year, The NNDSS has recorded 273 influenza deaths.
There were 7,100 COVID deaths in the first seven months of 2022,
according to data from the Actuaries Institute, making the virus the
third most common cause of death so far this year in Australia.

Ironically, this low rate in 2021 was due in part to most Aussies
wearing masks, which again debunks some of the anti-vaxxers' claims.

It's beyond time that the anti-vaxxers stop attempting to conflate
influenza and Coronavirus in order to reinforce a similarity that
simply doesn't exist beyond similar, superficial symptoms—sore
throat, cough, fatigue, muscle aches etc.

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Re: Australia and NZ numbers for today:
Reply #1469 - Nov 19^th, 2022 at 10:46am

Carl D wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 12:21pm:

Carl D wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

Where's our PM while all this is happening? Oh, that's right - he's still gabbing and taking inane 'selfies' in Indonesia, isn't he?

Oh, wait... he's moved on to Bangkok now (and more inane maskless 'selfies').

lol...

https://twitter.com/KatePri14608408/status/1593684919569432576

Couldn't have said it better myself, Kate.

Meanwhile, another 2,634 cases and 13 deaths reported for Victoria today.

https://covidlive.com.au/

Hospitalisations up by another 13 as well.

20 more Covid deaths and Australia will reach the grim milestone of 16,000 deaths, most of them this year (we may have already reached it since the other States only give a weekly report on Fridays now).

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