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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1155 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:21am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:15am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:12am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:08am:
Great shot!  Right on the money..... you can't expect bigots to follow that logical argument... they don't want to....


I love when right wing filth call me a bigot.  They don't know what it means, but they know they were called it so it MUST be bad....



But trans "women" know they are real women, dumb rock......
They can't say WHAT a woman is or what it is like to be a woman rather than a man - but they KNOW they are real women".






They can define a woman.  I've defined a woman.  The issue is you DON'T CARE

Here are some facts

Some people are trans
We are not hurting them anymore
They are not hurting you

Why are you crying so much about them?


Some people are trans
We are not hurting them anymore
They are not hurting you
They are not real women
I don't have to believe them when they say they are real women
They don't have to call me any names just because they are not real women
They don't have to vilify real women who see them as men
They don't  have to vilify men who will not treat them as real women
And so on.

Lots of  'don't have tos'.




Spot on.
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1156 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:37pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:24pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:17pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:41am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:37am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:25am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:13am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 9:36am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 8:50am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 8:23am:
What is a woman?

"What is it like to be a woman?" is a better question. Why?

Women's experience of being women is different to a man's experience of perceiving women as they are and then imagining himself what it would be like for him if he were a woman.

The former experience is authentic, organic and immediate while the latter is esentially and always inauthentic, derivative, full of misconstrued and misunderstood 'as ifs", of male perceptions of what it is like to be woman.




Says the man adamant about what a woman is.

Oh. The irony.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.


I can see you didnt understand any of it.

Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's.

Don't tell me you do not see the obvious.



And clearly you have just demonstrated that you have no idea at all what Trans even is.

Rail on in your ignorance, old man. For all of it's futility.



Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's?




I think my idea of what it's like to be a man is as nebulous as yours.

For example, i'm very empathetic to my male friends, my son and my husband, my father and uncles. None of which are anything like you. So i think i've a better idea of what being a man of worth is than you.

Does that count?


So trans women are men, not real women like you? Or are they real women like you and your mum? Would your son, husband etc regard them as real women like they regard you and your mum, cock no object?


Really??







What diseased, decaying matter do you use for a mind?

How did you get that from what i said?

Something seriously happened to you.

Yeah - I haven't lost my mind to absurd paradoxes, that's what happened, or rather didn't happen to me.



You say that your idea and my idea -  and your son's and husband's -  of what is a man and what is a woman  are nebulous - but trans women are real women like you and your mum because trans women's idea of what is a woman is NOT nebulous.  THEIR idea of what a woman is must be accepted as indisputable and real while ours must be treated as nebulous.

You problematise the normal (call it nebulous) in order to normalise the problematic (trans women are just like real women).

But you do not see that your insistence that transwomen are real women simply grants them a place among those with undefined, nebulous status (women) but which, nevertheless, you insist on being NOT nebulous but real, but only for transwomen. For all other - you, me, your son, husband - it is all nebulous, hazy, indeterminable etc. Only transwomen are on solid ground when it comes to knowing what a woman is (themselves), everyone else is at a loss in the face of this latest great mystery.



This is full blown paranoia.



So trans women's idea of their own identity as women is as nebulous as your own?  Or are they on firmer ground than you as they know that they are real women like you and your mum?

You, a woman, see what a woman is through mist (nebulous) but a transwoman sees it clearly and he is a confident, REAL woman, not a misty mystery like you are to your self-conception.
Uncovering the absurdity is not paranoia, mother.
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1157 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:37pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:28pm:
Women's sports are not intended for competition with men.  Simple, eh?

Bit quick on the amazing assumption that 'pretty much all women's sports clubs' don't agree with that decision?

How could you possibly know that?

So one can be trans in mind only, or to any degree chosen, but rarely fully?

Bizarre.... what do you imagine the word 'transitioning' means?  It means a change from one thing to another - not some whistle stop railway line of endless options.  Does a caterpillar get to chose its way point on transitioning?

ONLY in the minds of very few humans can such a deviation be in existence.

The supporters of this nonsense are merely twisting words to suit and trying to alter the meaning of words for their own ends, a trick they learned from the feminists years ago with all their gross distortions of language and reality.


Trans women are women.  They take hormones and have no physical advantage. the woman who won a swim competition recently proved this, by first losing to biological women regularly

You can be trans if you are trans.  You can choose if you want to alter your body.  That's not really important.  People don't walk around naked so you can know their gender.

The minds we're discussing are those of psychologists, who you misrepresent by claiming that gender dysphoria is the same as being trans

So you hate all women, not just trans ones.  Interesting......

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Reply #1158 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:39pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:26am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:25am:
I think my idea of what it's like to be a man is as nebulous as yours.

For example, i'm very empathetic to my male friends, my son and my husband, my father and uncles. None of which are anything like you. So i think i've a better idea of what being a man of worth is than you.

Does that count?


I think the real issue is the starting point of assuming women are all the same and the definition of 'woman' is something diferent to 'people who know they are women'.  Some women are human garbage, Candace Owens for example.  She is nothing like, say, AOC, but both are women.

Women are people.  they can be different.  The idea of a definition that goes beyond gender identity is stupid


Grin Cortez doesn't have a brain to bless herself.

Dumb as dogshyte

that's a own goal.
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Reply #1159 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:45pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:45am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:43am:
Whys is the discussion now turning to the relative decency of people - a purely subjective interpretation at best?

Is this - all animals are decent, but some are more decent than others?

What has buggaring to do with it?  The issue is - are you happy to sleep with a woman with a cock?

How do you propose to get your ten licks in every week?  Huh


People have families that share their values.  Not killing trans kids is clearly not decent to you, and that's subjective, I agree.

smacking forums keep replacing the word fck. 

There's two things here.  I like vagina, I would not date a woman with a cock.  Any more than I'd date a right wing woman, I am not required to date all women.  But it's still a woman I can know and interact with in general


I know ... because it's really a bloke ... right? Grin
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Reply #1160 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:49pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:58am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:55am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:38am:
Gender identity is still scientific fact.  Not least, you have literally no other explanation for why some people with a penis know they are women



Bollocks. Gender is not a scientific category, it's a linguistic one. Every deviation from the male/female binary is a deviation and is treated as a deviation, whether by medical or psychiatric intervention, or both. You CANNOT transition without some radical outside intervention. You cannot transition naturally because it is essentially and fundamentally unnatural.

Gender dysphoria is a psychiatric term indicating a mental maladjustment to reality. The mind, perception, meaning, behaviour - psychiatry's subject matters - are not biological or chemical things even if the brain and the body (medicine's subject matters) are. What transition means is  physical intervention and alteration of the body. But you cannot turn Yin into Yang no matter how many times you operate.



Gender dsyphoria is still not being trans, they are still different.  I've posted this at least 50 times and no right wing maggot has ever responded to it. 

Most trans people don't have gender surgery.  Another fact I keep reminding you of

"You cannot transition naturally because it is essentially and fundamentally unnatural. "

this is the core of your deep sexual insecurity.  Keep it to yourself


It's the truth...... & you don't like that when it comes to your obsessions.
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Reply #1161 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:51pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:00pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:50am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:46am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:41am:
What diseased, decaying matter do you use for a mind?

How did you get that from what i said?

Something seriously happened to you.


cornered - so reverting to true form again. 

You and Lefty are so similar..... when in doubt, attack the other person.... when cornered, strike out and hope to score a hit....

If we could just make Monty move faster from the north - we could totally surround and destroy both the Lefty-SS and mothra-SS divisions in one hit!





That's you MO, old man. Every second post of yours since Future joined has been about him,.'

Much like you rant about me when i'm not even here.




**laughs**  I might mention you every couple of days or so as a prime source of Lefty style 'debating'.... utter nonsense, of course... any debating is all in your mind...

The only reason posts are about Lefty's kind is that he constantly posts about those who respond and attacks them ... got that?

Just shooting him down when he comes in, is not the same as getting after him... if he'd shut up for five minutes nobody would bother...

Now then - I see the trannies are not going to compete with women in swimming .. o, well ... them's the breaks based on gender differences....

Like playing chess with two pigeons all at once....


Nor the Womens World Cup Rugby League

2 down & a few more to go.

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1162 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:53pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:02pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:00pm:
**laughs**  I might mention you every couple of days or so as a prime source of Lefty style 'debating'.... utter nonsense, of course... any debating is all in your mind...

The only reason posts are about Lefty's kind is that he constantly posts about those who respond and attacks them ... got that?

Just shooting him down when he comes in, is not the same as getting after him... if he'd shut up for five minutes nobody would bother...

Now then - I see the trannies are not going to compete with women in swimming .. o, well ... them's the breaks based on gender differences....

Like playing chess with two pigeons all at once....


Debates are all in my mind because no one ever debates me.  LOL!!!!

Again, the decision to stop trans women swimming will be reversed.  Society is overall getting better but sometimes the vocal minority win, before ultimately losing

How often have you watched Womens swimming? That's not why you care, is it?

 
In this case it's actually the silent majority have become vocal & commonsense is prevailing.
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Reply #1163 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:56pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:19pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:17pm:
You say that your idea and my idea -  and your son's and husband's -  of what is a man and what is a woman  are nebulous - but trans women are real women like you and your mum because trans women's idea of what is a woman is NOT nebulous.  THEIR idea of what a woman is must be accepted as indisputable and real while ours must be treated as nebulous.

You problematise the normal (call it nebulous) in order to normalise the problematic (trans women are just like real women).

But you do not see that your insistence that transwomen are real women simply grants them a place among those with undefined, nebulous status (women) but which, nevertheless, you insist on being NOT nebulous but real, but only for transwomen. For all other - you, me, your son, husband - it is all nebulous, hazy, indeterminable etc. Only transwomen are on solid ground when it comes to knowing what a woman is (themselves), everyone else is at a loss in the face of this latest great mystery.


The difference is you want to DEFINE what a woman is, and we just accept that people who say they are women, are women.


Well it's fundamentally & biologically not true.
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Reply #1164 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:59pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:37pm:
You, a woman, see what a woman is through mist (nebulous) but a transwoman sees it clearly and he is a confident, REAL woman, not a misty mystery like you are to your self-conception.
Uncovering the absurdity is not paranoia, mother.


When someone replies four times to cry to me about cock, I know they are triggered
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Reply #1165 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 1:00pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:26pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:23pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:18pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:03pm:
Let me correct this for you....


To add, they transition without surgery because it's only all about genitals to people like you



So they want to be a half-man or a half-woman but to whine when somebody says "you may compete as a half-woman or half-man then?".  They're so dedicated to their cause that they don't want to go the whole way?  They're a woman but they don't want to be?

Sounds more like BPD to me...


As usual, the right are obsessed with cock....



Well why won't you date/bed a woman with a cock?

After all they're women according to you & you like women......no?
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Reply #1166 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 1:02pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 1:00pm:
Well why won't you date/bed a woman with a cock?

After all they're women according to you & you like women......no?


I assume you are saying you want to f^ck every woman you meet.  I beleive you.
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Reply #1167 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 1:04pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:59pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:37pm:
You, a woman, see what a woman is through mist (nebulous) but a transwoman sees it clearly and he is a confident, REAL woman, not a misty mystery like you are to your self-conception.
Uncovering the absurdity is not paranoia, mother.


When someone replies four times to cry to me about cock, I know they are triggered


You're the one making most mention of the "cock". Grin
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Reply #1168 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 1:05pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:25pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:23pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:18pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:03pm:
Let me correct this for you....


To add, they transition without surgery because it's only all about genitals to people like you



So they want to be a half-man or a half-woman but to whine when somebody says "you may compete as a half-woman or half-man then?".  They're so dedicated to their cause that they don't want to go the whole way?  They're a woman but they don't want to be?

Sounds more like BPD to me...




That's because you don't know what you're talking about.



Funny thing is - I say the same thing about you.  You aren't going to win any friends or supporters carrying on as if you alone know everything when clearly you do not, and yet you feel some right to push it on others.

Oh, well... can't train some pigeons..... you and Lefty are so similar you could be Siamese twins ....
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Reply #1169 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 1:06pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:59pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:37pm:
You, a woman, see what a woman is through mist (nebulous) but a transwoman sees it clearly and he is a confident, REAL woman, not a misty mystery like you are to your self-conception.
Uncovering the absurdity is not paranoia, mother.


When someone replies four times to cry to me about cock, I know they are triggered


Did Frank mention the word 'cock'?

You're talking cock again...
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